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Just thinking about our perception in general, post 9/11.

The Middle East are now in our focus on a daily basis, or maybe I'm just noticing the them more as a result of 9/11. Dunno. But it seems that the tabloids (in the UK at least) have an agenda that changes, or has changed, our perception on the whole World and just how unsafe it really is. We can't let a few "incidents" dictate our future but that's exactly what seems to be happening.

The dumbing-down of Western society seems to have this agenda and it's cutting the World up, it's destroying the potential to actually do something with humanity and instead of finding reasons to find peace we find them for war. What's up with that?

In my opinion the whole 9/11 thing is just too obvious. The inside job conspiracy has to be true and if more people would just see what happened here then maybe in that quagmire is a resolution, for not only peace in the Middle East but globally. Everyone needs to find a reason for peace and make that a reality. And stop bombing shit!
 

jujubee

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9/11 was an inside job is what I'm saying. Not wasn't.
We know what you're saying.:D

Why mix the inside job remark in there at all? It was more interesting without it.

Your post doesn't even make sense actually, in general, too much to address to get clarity out of it. Maybe you should've developed the middle paragraph.

I don't know that 9/11 was a false flag, I sincerely doubt you do.:D
 

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I'm fairly certain that 9/11 was perpetrated by Government. Who's exactly... we'll never know, because evidently nobody cares. I have a feeling that a high level government Leader could come out and say "I have 100% proof positive that the American Government was complicit in 9/11."

I'm fairly certain most people would go to work like it was any other day. Half of the officials responsible would just continue to get paid by special interest. Dick Cheney and Bush would continue to be war criminals unabated by justice. And banks would continue to rob people and government with no repercussions. We would then concentrate on things that divide us... like gay marriage, racial tensions, a black president, Republicans being cuckoo, Democrats being Marxist Socialists and the vast majority of people would just watch the latest greatest Karaoke contest on tv.

In the end... nothing really matters. Anyone can see... nothing really matters to anyone.
 
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Yeah, and I'm saying you're an idiot. Not aren't.
Let's save the name calling for another time/place. Thanks.

The Middle East are now in our focus on a daily basis, or maybe I'm just noticing the them more as a result of 9/11.
Here in the States, we're mostly hearing about N. Korea if anything.

We can't let a few "incidents" dictate our future but that's exactly what seems to be happening.
Again, it seems more in the "news" in the U.K. We're not being bombarded by the media with warnings and fear mongering about brown people. Our media is more focused on black people.

In my opinion the whole 9/11 thing is just too obvious.
As I'm sure you can imagine, we've hashed and re-hashed this topic a million times over so don't be surprised by a general sense of apathy from the community on this topic.
 
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Yeah, if I'm even sick of it, the life has been drained from the whole 'discussion', which is why people get testy. Only the immediacy of the Boston tragedy mattered. Nobody's hashing 9/11 anymore, we're past that being relevant it's so old and questioning media coverage on Boston does not resurrect 9/11, even if details parallel. If you rightfully have something on the handling of Boston and whatever really went on there, it should be able to stand on its own.

Making it all even less interesting is as much as I've encountered people debating from both sides of the fence, none -or very few- of them has ever even heard the term 'false flag' to begin with.:D *yawn* Much worse is finding they don't know anything that's going on in the present, like Korea.
 

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Yeah, if I'm even sick of it, the life has been drained from the whole 'discussion', which is why people get testy. Only the immediacy of the Boston tragedy mattered. Nobody's hashing 9/11 anymore, we're past that being relevant it's so old and questioning media coverage on Boston does not resurrect 9/11, even if details parallel. If you rightfully have something on the handling of Boston and whatever really went on there, it should be able to stand on its own.

Making it all even less interesting is as much as I've encountered people debating from both sides of the fence, none -or very few- of them has ever even heard the term 'false flag' to begin with.:D *yawn* Much worse is finding they don't know anything that's going on in the present, like Korea.
Here in the States, we're mostly hearing about N. Korea if anything.
Relative to a post 9/11 ERA, Middle Easterners have been in the forefront a lot more than Asians or Blacks.

I understand people being tired of information about 9/11... and the 24 hour news cycle kind of dampens just about any old thing. The fact remains that US soldiers are still dying due to the actions of 9/11. Millions of people are forever effected by this event. I wasn't aware of a time frame for which discussing something became "uncool" or "boring" and "tired" or whatever else you want to throw at it.

It was a catalyst for much death and loss of liberty among other things. It also created an infallible unquestionable government entity that goes on perpetuating more terror than it was founded to stop. It opened the flood gates for Islamic extremists, and all manor of other religious and political nutters and terrorists to hit western cultures.

There has not been any definitive evidence, as far as I'm concerned, as to who, why or how 9/11 was perpetrated. There was no real investigation, there was no real trial. Most persons arrested and charged or killed due to 9/11 were done so under illegal acts of aggression on our part in addition to torture.

I mean yeah, its boring to sit down and think about these things often. Or to revisit details. Its much easier to say "It happened and that's all that matters." But to me, this discussion was more directed at the cultural changes in a post 9/11 world. How the actions reverberated around the world and effected nearly everyone adversely. Everyone except for the US government IMO.

Islamic extremists were hunted down, US instituted regimes were toppled, world economies were sent spiraling towards the ground, citizen subjects within the US were subject to less freedom and liberty, European economies bore the weight of outsourced debt under a new global commitment to "unification". The whole time the richest power brokers in the US became exponentially more rich.

Power has never been so concentrated. There have never been so many police, government agencies, spy programs and military advancements. Record profits as the global economy all but floundered to its death. Such political, social and cultural division... 9/11 created the Tea party, OWS... it agitated right wingers as well as the leftists.

I'd say that's a huge deal, and until we stop feeling its effects, whats the problem with revisiting the catalysts from different vantage points? Seems to me like its not really breaking the rules. We have plenty of space for new video threads and all manor of mind numbing whatever the hell. Whats wrong with having yet another conversation about such an important world changing event? I mean anyone is free to read and decide they don't want to participate.
 
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Our media is more focused on black people.
That may have been true years ago, but these days I see very little focus on what blacks are doing. I mean, they are killed in their neighborhoods all the time and it doesn't even make the news.

The focus seems to be on guns and painting conservatives up as potential terrorists. They so wanted the Boston bomber to be "right wing extremist", which is something I am not too familiar with. I am more familiar with the Unabomber, The Weather Underground, Black Liberation Army, Che Guevara, list goes on.

Generally, so called "right wing extremists" are civilian militants. These are generally good people who stand for the Constitution and Bill of Rights. This group contains the survivalists, gun freaks, bible thumpers, rednecks, and no shortage of other types of people you could learn a thing or two from, if you didn't think they were scary, or retarded.

These are mostly blanket statements, fivethreeVthreeN, so do think I'm accusing you of anything.

Having said all that, I don't give a rats ass about presidents and the like. None of those people are on my side. Shit, they have to pretend to be real people.
 

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Relative to a post 9/11 ERA, Middle Easterners have been in the forefront a lot more than Asians or Blacks.

I understand people being tired of information about 9/11... and the 24 hour news cycle kind of dampens just about any old thing. The fact remains that US soldiers are still dying due to the actions of 9/11. Millions of people are forever effected by this event. I wasn't aware of a time frame for which discussing something became "uncool" or "boring" and "tired" or whatever else you want to throw at it.

It was a catalyst for much death and loss of liberty among other things. It also created an infallible unquestionable government entity that goes on perpetuating more terror than it was founded to stop. It opened the flood gates for Islamic extremists, and all manor of other religious and political nutters and terrorists to hit western cultures.

There has not been any definitive evidence, as far as I'm concerned, as to who, why or how 9/11 was perpetrated. There was no real investigation, there was no real trial. Most persons arrested and charged or killed due to 9/11 were done so under illegal acts of aggression on our part in addition to torture.

I mean yeah, its boring to sit down and think about these things often. Or to revisit details. Its much easier to say "It happened and that's all that matters." But to me, this discussion was more directed at the cultural changes in a post 9/11 world. How the actions reverberated around the world and effected nearly everyone adversely. Everyone except for the US government IMO.

Islamic extremists were hunted down, US instituted regimes were toppled, world economies were sent spiraling towards the ground, citizen subjects within the US were subject to less freedom and liberty, European economies bore the weight of outsourced debt under a new global commitment to "unification". The whole time the richest power brokers in the US became exponentially more rich.

Power has never been so concentrated. There have never been so many police, government agencies, spy programs and military advancements. Record profits as the global economy all but floundered to its death. Such political, social and cultural division... 9/11 created the Tea party, OWS... it agitated right wingers as well as the leftists.

I'd say that's a huge deal, and until we stop feeling its effects, whats the problem with revisiting the catalysts from different vantage points? Seems to me like its not really breaking the rules. We have plenty of space for new video threads and all manor of mind numbing whatever the hell. Whats wrong with having yet another conversation about such an important world changing event? I mean anyone is free to read and decide they don't want to participate.
Without getting into the little exception I might take, skimming through that, for now, it's better I clarify what I meant. I realize all that, painfully. I just meant there is a time frame in the sense the trail is cold. Details are lost in a haze to the people by now, a good discussion isn't really to be had at this point when people weren't even aware at the time about some very basic things. That news cycle in a new informational era is at center. So if you were to argue the point today, I'm afraid 9/11 intel's largely been rendered null and void at this point-maybe not to you or I but the public at large, the majority rules the day. You'd be forced to develop your 'platform' as it were, from more immediate events. That cycle ensures it. You may be able to salt in things from that stance looking so far back but it wouldn't draw readership without a Today kind of thrust and focus.

People aren't in the know about the news of today. How can you bring back 9/11 and grab any real interest in this climate which would bury yesterday's news?
 

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People aren't in the know about the news of today. How can you bring back 9/11 and grab any real interest in this climate which would bury yesterday's news?
By continuing to talk about it in spite of all of society and the media telling you not to.
 
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Ok, just realize you're not the lone ranger here and that's a good thing. You aren't pioneering dissent but a large group better than you or I exists on the subject. And I don't know about you but society can suck my cybersack, I truly do not give a fuck what anyone thinks of my approaching the subject or I wouldn't have joined the thread.