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Ahh Fuckin Dammit!! Norton IS vs. Ad Aware..

GamerGuy87

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Okay, so my College says we need some kind of Internet Security Program for our computers in order to be able to log onto their system. Well, I buy Norton Internet Security of around $80 bucks. Well, I do Virus Scans and stuff like that every week, so my computer should be free of stuff like that right? Well, yesterday morning, I do a full system scan, it comes up fine.

Later that day, my friend looks at my computer and suggests I download Ad Aware, so he downloads it for me...After it downloads, he does a full sytem scan using Ad-Aware. When it finished, there were 64 infected files!!! WHAT THE FUCK!!! Norton Internet Security cost me $80, Ad Aware cost me $0 and it found 64 infected files? I can't refund the Norton because it's been over 2 months since I bought it....So, I got ripped off, but at least my computer is fuckin healthier. Dammit!
 
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I'm fairly certain Norton only scans for viruses, while ad-aware scans for adware, spyware, etc. So if it was a spyware problem Norton more than likely wouldnt pick it up
 

Jung

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First off, Norton anything is an overpriced broken piece of shit. Norton sucks at virus detections and removal, and software firewalls are worthless.

Secondly, AdAware scans for spyware and adware, not viruses. I'm not sure if Norton "Security Center" has an included spy/malware scanner, but Norton Antivirus only really targets viruses.

Also, using Internet Explorer is WHY you're getting all those infections. Try using Firefox or Opera instead if you want to prevent them.
 

GamerGuy87

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I'm using Firefox, haven't used Internet Explorer in a long time, The Norton I have has Spyware protection, don't know if protects against Adware...Anyways, all I know is that I feel screwed.
 

tw33k

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AdAware actually scans for spyware cookies mostly. They're not viruses. Spywareblaster and Spybot Search&Destroy do a decent job of finding and protecting against spyware. Just make sure you use the immunize protection with Spybot. Add Microsoft Anti Spyware and you'll get pretty good protection. At least the best you can get for free.
Oh, and just because you use Firefox doesn't mean you won't get spyware.
 

Jugular

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I hardly ever get spyware, and I can't remember the last time I scanned my computer. I just don't. It's crazy, I know.

And I'm always clicking on pop-ups just for the heck of it. My computer is still working fine. I do have avast! anivirus. That works pretty good, my computer still is perfectly in shape.

I was just scanning but it was taking a friggin long time with stupid ad-aware. I decided not to jinx it.
 

Jung

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tw33k said:
Oh, and just because you use Firefox doesn't mean you won't get spyware.
Using a browser that doesn't support ActiveX, such as Opera or Firefox, will eliminate most, if not all, spy/adware. ActiveX is the only means by which software can be installed on your computer from the internet. Javscript is in a sandbox so to speak and would require exploiting to work. Google if you don't believe me, but there have been very few cases of spyware installed via javascript - less than a handful probabaly.
 
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u should have gotten the free anti virus program called AVG
 

bait

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junglizim knows what he talks about. hes probably as nerdy as any one who knows that only a hand-ful of cases exist where spyware is installed using javascript. Im not so nerdy and hence not as knowledgeable, however, I do have a single recommendation if you never want to have to scan for viruses again: try using linux.

i know it sounds scary and shit, but it is really worth it. the day I tried opening up a browser and it took me 5 minutes (no joke) on windows I decided to give linux a try and I havent looked back since. I recommend you try the following linux:

http://www.ubuntulinux.org/

its about as easy to install as the easiest windows application. if you do try it and need help, send me a tell or go to the linuxforums. anyhow just my two cents worth.
 

OmegaZeto

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the day I tried opening up a browser and it took me 5 minutes (no joke) on windows I decided to give linux a try and I havent looked back since.
If it took you 5 minutes, Windows was not the problem. More than likely your PC had been compromised and screwed all to fuck.
 

bait

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OmegaZeto said:
If it took you 5 minutes, Windows was not the problem. More than likely your PC had been compromised and screwed all to fuck.
exactly, and the fact that that can happen at all on windows makes it not worth my time. I'd probably waste as much time trying to keep my computer virus and spyware free as I would if I let the viruses and spyware go rampant and then have to accept a laggy computer.
 

tw33k

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junglizm said:
Using a browser that doesn't support ActiveX, such as Opera or Firefox, will eliminate most, if not all, spy/adware. ActiveX is the only means by which software can be installed on your computer from the internet. Javscript is in a sandbox so to speak and would require exploiting to work. Google if you don't believe me, but there have been very few cases of spyware installed via javascript - less than a handful probabaly.
I have to disagree with you to a point; most spyware is definitely installed via activex. I use firefox and I have found spyware, although I have to say only one occurance in the past several months. Other ways spyware is installed are not browser specific:
There are three main techniques used to distribute spyware.

* Adware is often bundled with free software programs. These programs require users to accept pop-up advertising as part of the service they provide. If you have installed one of these products, file-sharing software or other similar products, you may have unknowingly agreed to view pop-up ads.
* Some Web sites require that you install an application before you use their site or in order to access their products. Have you ever visited a Web site and been prompted to install something? Some sites, usually ones that offer free products, use this method to trick users into downloading spyware.
* Spyware makers also exploit security holes using viruses, fake email messages, Trojan horses and ActiveX controls. Using anti-virus software, ignoring email attachments from unknown senders and keeping your computer up to date with the latest security patches will mitigate this third risk.

More and more programs are distributing spyware using these methods. The presence of spyware or other adware is often not disclosed when you download or install software. If any information is disclosed, it is usually buried in an End User License Agreement (EULA).

There is a program that will examine the EULA, although I haven't used it extensively you can download it free and make your own judgement on it's worth:
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/eulalyzer.html
 

magnolia

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I dunno. I use Ad-Aware SE on my computer and it finds so many infected files every day. It finds an average of 10 to 35 files every time I run the program and I run the program on average 3 times a day. (Usually when I'm shutting my system down.) I don't know what's up with it. I feel like my computer is being bombarded. I was thinking of buying a program and not using Ad-Aware anymore.
 

Jung

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tw33k said:
I have to disagree with you to a point ... Other ways spyware is installed are not browser specific:
I thought it was obvious that I was only talking about browser specific means to install spyware.

At any rate, I agree with what you said, but that's where common sense comes in.
 

CopyLifted

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Quit going to pr0n sites. Problem solved. :happysad:

Seriously though, I haven't had any spyware on my computer in months. I actually get disappointed when I run adaware and it doesn't find anything. I feel like I have a program on my computer that serves no purpose. :p
 

squeeze_me

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CopyLifted said:
Quit going to pr0n sites. Problem solved. :happysad:

Seriously though, I haven't had any spyware on my computer in months. I actually get disappointed when I run adaware and it doesn't find anything. I feel like I have a program on my computer that serves no purpose. :p
:lol:

the pr0n thing is true the adware comes in like a bitch,

ive decided on going on an anti pr0n pilgramage for a month (dont ask why) im half way through it and my computer is fine and running faster then cathy freeman. :)
 

Jung

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exactly, and the fact that that can happen at all on windows makes it not worth my time. I'd probably waste as much time trying to keep my computer virus and spyware free as I would if I let the viruses and spyware go rampant and then have to accept a laggy computer.
Or you could set up Windows so it won't get infected and just use some common sense. Seriously, if you can't even manage to keep Windows clean you're not going to do well with Linux, not even in a newbie distro like Ubuntu.
 

GamerGuy87

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Actually, I'm in the dorms and the whole school is connected into one system...From what I understand...Our Interent has a T1 connection, which is really fast for me, and the RA told us to not look at porn, because they can tell if you did and we'll get kicked off the system...I don't know, maybe it's just a scare tactic, but I'm not going to push it.
 

bait

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junglizm said:
Or you could set up Windows so it won't get infected and just use some common sense. Seriously, if you can't even manage to keep Windows clean you're not going to do well with Linux, not even in a newbie distro like Ubuntu.
k. Do you even use linux? Lol

if so answer this basic question:

how would you mount an ISO (cd-image file) under linux using terminal?

P.S. I use ubuntu cause its got the newest hardware drivers. Ive used just about every other linux distro out there and I like ubuntu the most at the moment. This will probably change at some point.

By every other I mean the major ones lol. Not the millions of other spawns. ex: FreeBSD, Fedora, Debian, Gentoo (kinda like debian).
 

Hater808

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He used to work as a network administrator. That would mean yeah he probally did and does use linux. If his servers where running linux then he would be pretty damn good at using it as well.

RA told us to not look at porn
I think thats a bunch of shit. i used to be and RA and worked for the computer department at school. There not looking at everyone's computers. They look at the amount of the bandwidth people use as well as flag certian file names to see if there being transferred. They also look at what ports people open up. At my campus they tried to block some of them. They use to look at the ports to see who's trying to do peer to peer sharring. I would mostly watch out not to do that. As far as porn they might be able look at what address you were going to. But I honestly don't think they would care. Ask your RA if he looks at porn, then tell him he's a lair.