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Fringe Edward Snowden - Anyone Give A Damn?

danNJ732

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Officially, we're told that showing his body would be too gruesome and would infuriate the muslim community. Gruesome(?)
Yes. The man took several bullets through his head. these are the same people were talking about, that blow up buildings for showing images of their religious icon mohammed. Imagine how bad it piss them off if we showed the mutilated remains of their terrorist leader all over public TV for americans to view, and bask in it's awe. not to mention the FCC wouldnt allow that image on tv anyway.

The media's motto: if it bleeds, it reads. I know Ghadaffi is dead because his bloody corpse was paraded all over my t.v. I know Hussein is dead because his demise was celebrated 1080p for months and months. We're also treated to the gory details of every third ranked Alqaeda soldier.
yes, yes you are right.

Point is, the govenment and the media have no problem showing gruesome shit on t.v. Btw, Bin Laden took two shots to the front, so his pics woulda been clean -- not gory. Flip him on his back and the exit holes would look much worse. Secondly, nothing is more insulting to the muslim community than dumping a body into the sea. So, there's some holes in the official story and there's soo much more to discuss but i'm unwilling to do so. Divide and conquer, limits to growth - these are tactics and concepts you'll need to understand before anything I say will ever make sense to you.
I have time...i've tried to understand conspiracy theories before. some of them really, REALLY don't make sense. Not because im stupid. I'm not a moron. But because people try to go to outlandish lengths in their "theories" about what happened.
It's like fitting the square peg in the square hole. only you start shaving away the corners of the square, not accepting it to be a square, until you finally cram it into the circular space, when really it was just a damn square to begin with. Get it?

Back to Snowden. The guy has to live in fear and eventually will die in a car crash or whatever way that will appear natural to you...for nothing
Yes. yes he will.
 
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I get the impression you think Bin Laden was a hero to the muslim community. No. They hated him as much as anyone. The majority of muslims are peaceful people who despise the " terrorist " stigma 911 branded, and they rejoiced the news of his death. Mass media is a matrix of deception that only focuses on negativity and prefers to shade the sunny side of life. The FCC has no problem showing dead bodies, but they normally give warning first, such as, " the following content may be too graphic to view ". Bin Laden took one shot to the head, allegedly, so this would not have been graphic. The discharged round would have been 5.56mm so we're not taking off any heads. Only one shot to the head(?) Thought double tap was protocol. Nm that - you gotta look at the big picture to digest everything that has happened: evaded multiple cross-hairs - nobody could get permission to kill him prior 911, good friends with the Bush family, C.I.A asset. You think he went rogue in '98 and became our enemy? Do you know that story? I do - Osama decides to wage jihad because he got pissed at the Saudies for asking America to come to Kuwait's defense instead of using his Mujahideen. That's the official story. LMAO. That's another rabbit hole that tells a nice n neat story about how Sadamn was dumb enough to invade Kuwait without considering the imminent retribution that was guarenteed to follow. He's not stupid. Sadamn was being protective of his oil. What if Kuwait extended their boundries to gobble a bigger piece of the pie(?) That makes more sense to me. Iraq wasn't going to get punked without a fight. I can respect that and it explains why they tried to assasinate old G.W. Sadamn was pissed. Those Bush clowns are all about the oil. Ya, they down with the poppy too, in fact, that's how the Bush family got rich enough to rotate into oil. It was all legit though. Poppy Bush would import the Afghani drugs to sell to Bayer Pharmaceutical for pain medication. No problem there because there's a legitimate need for such. But, kinda suspicious when the Taliban takes over and threatens poppy farmers with execution for growing the plant. 2001, production goes way down and you'd think it would stay down with our " just say no " Nancy Reagan shit. Nope. Bush couldn't wait to get over there to tap his veins back into that easy money. Opium wars have been fought before so this is not a new concept. Oxicodone is the new heroin. Dilaudid dilaudid (aka hospital heroin). When you have plans to hook a nation on pills, you gonna need a big supply. It takes money to fight wars and nothing brings in the chedder better than a pill that cost .12 cents to manufacture and retails for $7. Yeah boi, Walmart is bankin'. Everbody is happy. Poppy production hittin' all-time highs and a "convenient"discovery of lithium ices the cake. Mission accomplished.

That was a lot to digest, so answer this - who was the CEO of the company put in charge of security for the World Trade Center? Hint: he retired just before it all went down. Also, who took out terrorist insurance on those buildings just a few months before they went down? No conspiracy there, just simple facts to get you thinking. Sometimes 1 + 1 = 2

Marvin Bush
Larry Silverstein
 
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yadda yadda yadda no one really knows what they're talking about + wall of text (number of times "conspiracy" has been mentioned) = thread moved to Fringe Theory.

*where a = ur mom.
 
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yadda yadda yadda no one really knows what they're talking about + wall of text (number of times "conspiracy" has been mentioned) = thread moved to Fringe Theory.

Where a = ur mom.
I guess the REAL truth will always be limited to the participants, however Serato has a lot more together as far as actual provable evidence, whereas Dan is going on based mostly on speculation and feeling.
 
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danNJ732

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I guess the REAL truth will always be limited to the participants, however Serato has a lot more together as far as actual provable evidence, whereas Dan is going on based mostly on speculation and feeling.
yes, because thinking "you know, governments are always lying. experts really are stupid, google, and youtube conspiracy nuts...now those guys are brilliant" thats not even speculating one bit. It's like you get butthurt at any little disagreement with whatever opinion you have.
 
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yes, because thinking "you know, governments are always lying. experts really are stupid, google, and youtube conspiracy nuts...now those guys are brilliant" thats not even speculating one bit. It's like you get butthurt at any little disagreement with whatever opinion you have.
Or perhaps I have personal experience with Islamic people inside of war torn Islamic countries. And you don't. Perhaps I have seen and know things that you will never see or know on TV.

Wanna go on thinking the government is all roses and gumdrops... go for it.... but you're still going to have to prove it. At this current time... I'd willingly accept anyone that gave any kind of solid true evidence that the government is doing something other than fucking over the populace.
 

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Or perhaps I have personal experience with Islamic people inside of war torn Islamic countries. And you don't. Perhaps I have seen and know things that you will never see or know on TV.

Wanna go on thinking the government is all roses and gumdrops... go for it.... but you're still going to have to prove it. At this current time... I'd willingly accept anyone that gave any kind of solid true evidence that the government is doing something other than fucking over the populace.

i seem to think it was you who told me when i first got here "dont think your military experience will get you any favor with anyone" yet here you are pulling that same card....tsk tsk
 

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i seem to think it was you who told me when i first got here "dont think your military experience will get you any favor with anyone" yet here you are pulling that same card....tsk tsk
Asking for favor and talking about experience is different. Can you provide anything against the claims made by Serato... or did you jump on the bandwagon too?
 

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Asking for favor and talking about experience is different. Can you provide anything against the claims made by Serato... or did you jump on the bandwagon too?
i didnt jump on any bandwagon. I did agree with him on a few things, i just happen to believe bin laden is dead. im not sorry either, for thinking highly trained SF units were capable of killing a terrorist. thats my opinion, not that "all governments are roses and gumpdrops." Hence the nsa spying. not to mention when this was leaked, obama said "the american people can't expect to have 100% freedom AND 100% security. So fuck him too.
 
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What the hell is freedom anyway? Everyone defines it differently. I think most people define freedom by what they can and can't do. I don't know. When I am using a proprietary system or proprietary software, I'm not necessarily expecting privacy. You can't expect privacy on a proprietary system. You can refuse to use the service if privacy is an issue.

You are free to break laws or rules. You are also free to deal with the consequences of your actions.

Guess how many times I am held back from doing exactly as I want each day, limited only by time and my budget. Zero.

Most people won't feel free until they get to do all the cool shit they see other people doing, but that's not freedom. I don't know. The whole idea of freedom is too scattered about.

Pretty sure you're free to invent the cell phone replacement. You can put a private satellite into orbit, you can use encryption. Perceived freedom is also limited by innovation.

I have a difficult time with the "truth movement" and the revolutionaries of today. They look more like a group of demanding homeless who would have the audacity to complain that it took too long to get a free bowl of soup and a loaf of bread.

I'm done with this rant. Nobody can limit your freedom like you can, since it's a fucking intangible idea.
 
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It's just pathetic. I'm 24, and I have another 40 years or so, assuming I don't die from lung cancer or getting in a car wreck. And things have gotten so much exponentially worse since I was just 13 or 14. And that's 10 years. Life's gonna suck.
 
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No doubt Dan. Those spec ops are highly trained. They're trained well enough to have captured Osama alive provided the element of surprise is with them; it was. Smokin' weed and watchin' porn like the true Islamic fundamentalist he was portrayed (*rolls eyes*). Seems silly to me to kill a guy who could be the single greatest source of intel. So they shoot him. O.k, i'll bite - why go ransack the house for intel after you kill the guy who probably had all the answers to your questions? If his comp./ thumb drives were encrypted, some water play might be necessary for faster extraction. Even the NSA would need a couple days to crack my pgp. Just don't make sense. If they really did kill him, they'd plaster his pic just like they've done to everyone else on the hit list. This was supposed to be justice for us, so where this sudden sensitivity for terrorist came from -- I dunno. We hate 'em. Muslim community hates him. Where is our closure? People go to funerals to see a dead body because they need closure and we got robbed of that
 
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