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Fuck Windows!

Descent

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First off, let me say that I run Windows Server 2003 on my workstation. It is by far the most stable OS I have used, even more stable than Red Hat 9 or Mandrake Linux 9.1. However, I have noticed a huge glitch that seems to be inherent in XP/Server 2003. It may also be present in Windows 2000, but I have never actually used Windows 2000 for more than five minutes, so I don't really know if it is there.

The glitch is a scary one...one that I discovered myself, and It is also a glitch that I am sure many people take the hard way out to fix, reinstalling Windows. The glitch? The IP Security (IPSEC) service. I have had this happen to me twice now. First on XP, and now on Server. Randomly, for no apparent reason, this service will randomly destroy itself, and refuse to start or shut down again. It effectively keeps any IP address from being accessed by a DHCP server, which means that you are screwed if you are on a broadband/home network. You can't get on the internet, because you can't get an IP from your router/ISP.

The good news? There is a fix.

Go to Start -> Run

Type in "Services.msc"

Hit enter/click OK

Scroll down till you find the IPSEC security service. Right click it, click properties, then select "Disable." Click "OK," then reboot.

Viola! You are back online!

I would recommend doing this to anyone running XP/Server 2003. It will save you a headache later.

MaxPower, has this ever happened to you at your workplace?
 

betrayed

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Get netix for your server, it owns..
 

Jung

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jstager said:
First off, let me say that I run Windows Server 2003 on my workstation. It is by far the most stable OS I have used, even more stable than Red Hat 9 or Mandrake Linux 9.1.
lol, if you're going to run linux get a real distro. www.gentoo.org or www.debian.org then it'll be infinately more stable than any of microsoft's attempts. also alot of people complain that linux isn't stable because their kde/gnome, x windows crashes. realise that linux isn't the gui. if you're running a gui on a linux server than i would have to laugh at you. just my .02

Microsfoft OS's have their place on desktops, linux/BSD have no rival in the server market.

btw, it's long been known that microsoft's implementation of IPSEC is crap. if you want a REAL vpn solution i'd suggest Checkpoint VPN-1
 

mariusthegreat

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junglizm said:
if you're going to run linux get a real distro.
what do you recommend? i was thinking of getting linux on one of my old boxes...learn it first...then move on to it.....any other tips would be greatly appreciated...
 

MaxPower

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jstager said:
First off, let me say that I run Windows Server 2003 on my workstation. It is by far the most stable OS I have used, even more stable than Red Hat 9 or Mandrake Linux 9.1. However, I have noticed a huge glitch that seems to be inherent in XP/Server 2003. It may also be present in Windows 2000, but I have never actually used Windows 2000 for more than five minutes, so I don't really know if it is there.

The glitch is a scary one...one that I discovered myself, and It is also a glitch that I am sure many people take the hard way out to fix, reinstalling Windows. The glitch? The IP Security (IPSEC) service. I have had this happen to me twice now. First on XP, and now on Server. Randomly, for no apparent reason, this service will randomly destroy itself, and refuse to start or shut down again. It effectively keeps any IP address from being accessed by a DHCP server, which means that you are screwed if you are on a broadband/home network. You can't get on the internet, because you can't get an IP from your router/ISP.

The good news? There is a fix.

Go to Start -> Run

Type in "Services.msc"

Hit enter/click OK

Scroll down till you find the IPSEC security service. Right click it, click properties, then select "Disable." Click "OK," then reboot.

Viola! You are back online!

I would recommend doing this to anyone running XP/Server 2003. It will save you a headache later.

MaxPower, has this ever happened to you at your workplace?
No. But that's an old one that has been seen in XP/2000 before. There's actually some vulnerabilities known in MS IPsec. Which I find Ironic.
 

Shurikane

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Waitaminnit, that would sound like a very potent scenario for my previous router problems. :confused:
 

NaughtyGirl21

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jstager said:
First off, let me say that I run Windows Server 2003 on my workstation. It is by far the most stable OS I have used, even more stable than Red Hat 9 or Mandrake Linux 9.1. However, I have noticed a huge glitch that seems to be inherent in XP/Server 2003. It may also be present in Windows 2000, but I have never actually used Windows 2000 for more than five minutes, so I don't really know if it is there.

The glitch is a scary one...one that I discovered myself, and It is also a glitch that I am sure many people take the hard way out to fix, reinstalling Windows. The glitch? The IP Security (IPSEC) service. I have had this happen to me twice now. First on XP, and now on Server. Randomly, for no apparent reason, this service will randomly destroy itself, and refuse to start or shut down again. It effectively keeps any IP address from being accessed by a DHCP server, which means that you are screwed if you are on a broadband/home network. You can't get on the internet, because you can't get an IP from your router/ISP.

The good news? There is a fix.

Go to Start -> Run

Type in "Services.msc"

Hit enter/click OK

Scroll down till you find the IPSEC security service. Right click it, click properties, then select "Disable." Click "OK," then reboot.

Viola! You are back online!

I would recommend doing this to anyone running XP/Server 2003. It will save you a headache later.

MaxPower, has this ever happened to you at your workplace?
And your point is? My stuff runs just fine and great, never had any problems, maybe its just your computer.
 

Jung

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CuddleMuffin said:
And your point is? My stuff runs just fine and great, never had any problems, maybe its just your computer.
i'd take it you're not attempting to make vpn connections, now are you?
 

MaxPower

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CuddleMuffin said:
And your point is? My stuff runs just fine and great, never had any problems, maybe its just your computer.
OMG. Having an issue with IPsec has nothing to do with hardware unles you have like a Cisco 3000 VPN Concentrator with an encryption module. GeeeZ!
 

Descent

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For fucks sake, can you people read?! I said I run Windows Server 2003 on my WORKSTATION. Also, I know that XWindows and Gnome and KDE cause crashes, but that never happened to me. I got the old freezing and lots of other shit, such as programs quitting unexpectedly. No, I wasn't using shitty memory. I was using Crucial RAM.

I use this OS because it is extraordinarily stable, and it runs all of my Win$hit programs. I used to run Linux, but I now run this.

Fuck Microsoft! They can suck my dick!

Good thing Longhorn is going to kill them...that OS is really going to piss the OEMs off...
 

Icarus

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MaxPower said:
OMG. Having an issue with IPsec has nothing to do with hardware unles you have like a Cisco 3000 VPN Concentrator with an encryption module. GeeeZ!
Dude, what a newbie! Everybody knows that!

...What's hardware..?
 

Icarus

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Hahahaahahahha.

Repped :thumbsup:
 

Jung

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jstager said:
For fucks sake, can you people read?! I said I run Windows Server 2003 on my WORKSTATION. Also, I know that XWindows and Gnome and KDE cause crashes, but that never happened to me. I got the old freezing and lots of other shit, such as programs quitting unexpectedly. No, I wasn't using shitty memory. I was using Crucial RAM.

I use this OS because it is extraordinarily stable, and it runs all of my Win$hit programs. I used to run Linux, but I now run this.

Fuck Microsoft! They can suck my dick!
your linux problems were no doubt either hardware quirks or something you did. i've been using linux for about 10 yrs now & it's the most stable os (aside from bsd) i've ever run. try out the vpn app i suggested, it works great and personally i'd never trust a microsoft VPN. so you don't like linux and you say fuck windows...looks like your destined for a one buttoned mouse.:D

Microsoft Security...now that's an oxymoron
 

Hypertron

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junglizm said:
lol, if you're going to run linux get a real distro. www.gentoo.org or www.debian.org
gentoo is one of the best, downside is if your new and you want to do it right it can take you up to 3 days to install, took me 4 my first time, although i kept fucking it up...hint hint read the handbook at the gentoo website, but yeah its probably the most user friendly.
 

Jung

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i still like debian over gentoo just for the advanced features. bsd is really stable also, but i'm so accustomed to procfs it annoys me not having it.
 

Jeranamo

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for anyone just trying to learn linux right now, just get a LiveCD version of a linux distro. That way you can learn it but not have to figure out how to setup a multiboot. That's what I did for my first times using linux.
 

Paul

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since this has turned into a "suggest which linux distro" thread i'll put in for centos... its basically built from redhat's enterprise linux (commercial distro) but is obviously community driven.... great for learning