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Headlines Gay/Lesbian Marriages
- Thread starter For-Starters
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hmmm, i don't know if i can get used to for_starters trying to have a normal converstaion about some social issue. anyway. first of all this thread belongs in "the issues". i know you love b&t cause it's what you're used to. anyway, i don't really have an opinion either way. i just don't like homos. lesbians are ok.
good; a forum i read.
they do? do they spread disease? do they produce a bunch of unwanted, poor, welfare-collecting babies? do they car-bomb public facilities? do they spread homosexuality even?
how exactly do they ruin society as a whole? substantiate this claim immediately.
they do? do the kids murder people? do the kids "turn gay?" do the kids, in turn, abuse their kids? substantiate this claim as well.
my opinion is that any two consenting adults that know what they look for in a life-partner should be allowed to pursue that in a life-partner.
look at the flip side. i'm straight. what does that actually mean? it means i require my life-partner to be female. i will not look among males for a life-partner.
maybe it's where i'm from; i dunno. it's been my experience that the gay people i know are generally better educated and take better care of their health than the breeders i know, and they tend to have stronger, more confident life-partnerships which create a more stable atmosphere of love and support for their children.
i guess what i'm saying is it's just like making sex among pre-18yrolds illegal. you can say they can't do it, but you can't stop it from happening. likewise, you can prevent gay marriage, but you won't eliminate the gayness or the gay life partnerships. why make life difficult on people who already have an extra tough time? it's no different from telling a black person to go to the back of the bus.
"gay" is the "black" of the 21st century. let's fix the civil rights problem and move on with life.
~ dan ~
they do? do they spread disease? do they produce a bunch of unwanted, poor, welfare-collecting babies? do they car-bomb public facilities? do they spread homosexuality even?
how exactly do they ruin society as a whole? substantiate this claim immediately.
they do? do the kids murder people? do the kids "turn gay?" do the kids, in turn, abuse their kids? substantiate this claim as well.
my opinion is that any two consenting adults that know what they look for in a life-partner should be allowed to pursue that in a life-partner.
look at the flip side. i'm straight. what does that actually mean? it means i require my life-partner to be female. i will not look among males for a life-partner.
maybe it's where i'm from; i dunno. it's been my experience that the gay people i know are generally better educated and take better care of their health than the breeders i know, and they tend to have stronger, more confident life-partnerships which create a more stable atmosphere of love and support for their children.
i guess what i'm saying is it's just like making sex among pre-18yrolds illegal. you can say they can't do it, but you can't stop it from happening. likewise, you can prevent gay marriage, but you won't eliminate the gayness or the gay life partnerships. why make life difficult on people who already have an extra tough time? it's no different from telling a black person to go to the back of the bus.
"gay" is the "black" of the 21st century. let's fix the civil rights problem and move on with life.
~ dan ~
for_starters said:
for starters,
what does everyone here think about gay and lesbian marriages?
I don't think they should be allowed because they ruin society as a whole.
Kid's who grow up being raised by two dads or two moms will just be fucked up....
Speak.
what does everyone here think about gay and lesbian marriages?
I don't think they should be allowed because they ruin society as a whole.
Kid's who grow up being raised by two dads or two moms will just be fucked up....
Speak.
I mean, I'm all for them getting all the financial benefits for being a married couple, I just don't like the idea of giving young kids that picture growing up, and eventually maybe trying to emulate.
I'm gonna have to blow a whistle here.
from http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/27/MNG1H59R5Q1.DTL
moreover, tons and tons of studies have been done, by actual sociologists (Spedale, et. al), which have shown that same-sex couples are equally conducive to successful child-rearing as are heterosexual couples.
Moreover, it does NOT promote an unnatural lifestyle. being gay is not learned behaviour and never will be. a homo can force himself not to express his homosexuality in choosing a partner, but just the same i'm sure i could try to date a guy and it would end in equal disaster. it just doesn't work trying to conform. blacks trying to look/act/be white.
moreover, because of the identity adversity that gays face, they tend to be more open-minded, more educated, and take better care of themselves. i've already discussed this, but these are traits that invariably imply they are at least as supportive and understanding as parents. in my personal experience, i've known three homosexual couples who have raised kids and not a one of them has even so much as joked about sexual preference or that their kids should be a certain way. and not a one of them wound up with a gay child (five kids between the three couples; one of them was my 3rd girlfriend).
it's not even the financial benefits gays want. imagine being with your partner for 20 some-odd years. your partner gets hospitalized. you want to go see him/her. the hospital tells you that you can't because "you're not family." regardless of the fact that you've lived with that person and shared a life for TWENTY YEARS and nobody knows him/her better than you do, and this is your dearest loved one: your life-partner, you are not allowed to see him/her at their death bed. likewise, after they die, since their house was in THEIR name and it wasn't ok for it to be in both of your names, you get evicted while the property goes through probate and may even be booted out for good from PERHAPS THE ONLY HOME YOU'VE KNOWN THROUGH YOUR ENTIRE ADULT LIFE because the family decides to do that.
give it serious thought, here..
~ dan ~
from http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/27/MNG1H59R5Q1.DTL
moreover, tons and tons of studies have been done, by actual sociologists (Spedale, et. al), which have shown that same-sex couples are equally conducive to successful child-rearing as are heterosexual couples.
Moreover, it does NOT promote an unnatural lifestyle. being gay is not learned behaviour and never will be. a homo can force himself not to express his homosexuality in choosing a partner, but just the same i'm sure i could try to date a guy and it would end in equal disaster. it just doesn't work trying to conform. blacks trying to look/act/be white.
moreover, because of the identity adversity that gays face, they tend to be more open-minded, more educated, and take better care of themselves. i've already discussed this, but these are traits that invariably imply they are at least as supportive and understanding as parents. in my personal experience, i've known three homosexual couples who have raised kids and not a one of them has even so much as joked about sexual preference or that their kids should be a certain way. and not a one of them wound up with a gay child (five kids between the three couples; one of them was my 3rd girlfriend).
it's not even the financial benefits gays want. imagine being with your partner for 20 some-odd years. your partner gets hospitalized. you want to go see him/her. the hospital tells you that you can't because "you're not family." regardless of the fact that you've lived with that person and shared a life for TWENTY YEARS and nobody knows him/her better than you do, and this is your dearest loved one: your life-partner, you are not allowed to see him/her at their death bed. likewise, after they die, since their house was in THEIR name and it wasn't ok for it to be in both of your names, you get evicted while the property goes through probate and may even be booted out for good from PERHAPS THE ONLY HOME YOU'VE KNOWN THROUGH YOUR ENTIRE ADULT LIFE because the family decides to do that.
give it serious thought, here..
~ dan ~
okay... see I have a bunch of gay and lesbian friends so I definetly dont have any problem with them.. nor do I getting married... I once wanted to marry my girlfriend I was in love with her.. and I still do love her with all my heart... yet I was too young then and now I just dont see her the same way... My boyfriend wants me to be bisexual yet I dont know... I love girls... I truely do... they are better than guys... at EVERYTHING...... but I dont want to get in the way between my boyfriend... yet I got off the subject... back on track.... I dont believe there is any problem with gays and lesbians getting married... they are human just like us ... they just find their own sex more .... hott than the opposite...
... but I dont want to get in the way between my boyfriend... yet I got off the subject... back on track.... I dont believe there is any problem with gays and lesbians getting married... they are human just like us ... they just find their own sex more .... hott than the opposite...I say let em have the gay marriage thing. No matter what they do, they can't change human nature. Basic biology and will not allow homosexuality to ever become a dominant, or even equally valid lifestyle. Instincts and nature emphasize survival, and reproduction. Basically, we can give them all the rights they want, and it won't change the fact that their lifestyles will never equate to a heterosexual one. As for homosexuals being more educated then heterosexuals... I think that that is bullshit. They are just like any other segment of th population, they are educated, uneducated, wealthy, poor... I don't think that you can generalize the group in that way.
usually, you can't generalize for a group like that. but with gays it's a bit different. the huge stigma they face in society almost invariably motivates these folks to work harder at being more contributing members of society. it's pretty well-documented. remember, i would never make a claim i can't substantiate.
thanks so much; how else can we work together to grow if we can't share and justify our ideas? it's not about agreeing or about some kind of bizarre harmony, but about individual growth by learning new points of view and the subsequent societal growth that follows!
the fact stands: no matter how illegal you make homosexuality, people will still be gay. that's not a solution, it's just retardation. literally.
~ dan ~
thanks so much; how else can we work together to grow if we can't share and justify our ideas? it's not about agreeing or about some kind of bizarre harmony, but about individual growth by learning new points of view and the subsequent societal growth that follows!
the fact stands: no matter how illegal you make homosexuality, people will still be gay. that's not a solution, it's just retardation. literally.
~ dan ~
they were?
in every case?
it seems to me overpopulation would kill us. homosexuality is partly a natural response to overcrowding. it's nature's humane way of preventing select folks from reproducing and adding to the crowding problem.
most animals have predators to help with this. not humans. only polar bears hunt us, and there are like five of those to worry about so they won't make a dent.
lots of things were 'made to be together' but work just fine alone.
your blanket philosophy castigates not only gay relationships, but people who opt to stay single, divorcées, and people who dedicate their lives to the service of others.
~ dan ~
in every case?
it seems to me overpopulation would kill us. homosexuality is partly a natural response to overcrowding. it's nature's humane way of preventing select folks from reproducing and adding to the crowding problem.
most animals have predators to help with this. not humans. only polar bears hunt us, and there are like five of those to worry about so they won't make a dent.
lots of things were 'made to be together' but work just fine alone.
your blanket philosophy castigates not only gay relationships, but people who opt to stay single, divorcées, and people who dedicate their lives to the service of others.
~ dan ~
i bet you would have loved it if rosa parks and martin luther king never "infested the public with their ideas" also.
and to the idea of two boys kissing... a pre-pubescent kid who has been sheltered from that sort of thing will be equally confused when he sees a boy and a (ewwww, gross) girl kiss.
get the fuck over it. your kids are going to spend 90% of their lives being exposed to shit you don't support. different political views from yours. different religions. different lifestyles, too. teach your kid to think, unlike you do, so he can grow up and do a better job of finding his own way than you have thus far.
~ dan ~
and to the idea of two boys kissing... a pre-pubescent kid who has been sheltered from that sort of thing will be equally confused when he sees a boy and a (ewwww, gross) girl kiss.
get the fuck over it. your kids are going to spend 90% of their lives being exposed to shit you don't support. different political views from yours. different religions. different lifestyles, too. teach your kid to think, unlike you do, so he can grow up and do a better job of finding his own way than you have thus far.
~ dan ~
I think the whole gay marriage thing is great
more marriages + unhappy ppl + love = Divorce Divorce = Time + Lawyers Lawyers = Time + lots of money so bascially i think that more marriages mean more divorces which will add to the already bulging pockets of lawyers and attourneys
Straight or not they have to have problems
more marriages + unhappy ppl + love = Divorce Divorce = Time + Lawyers Lawyers = Time + lots of money so bascially i think that more marriages mean more divorces which will add to the already bulging pockets of lawyers and attourneys
Straight or not they have to have problems
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