they do? do they spread disease? do they produce a bunch of unwanted, poor, welfare-collecting babies? do they car-bomb public facilities? do they spread homosexuality even?I don't think they should be allowed because they ruin society as a whole.
they do? do the kids murder people? do the kids "turn gay?" do the kids, in turn, abuse their kids? substantiate this claim as well.Kids who grow up being raised by two dads or two moms will just be fucked up....
I'm very much against gay marriages, but the whole ruination of society thing I don't agree with. You make a good point though bringing the kids into it...we have no real examples of kids raised by gay couples, but I'd imagine it would further promote their unnatural lifestyle.for_starters said:for starters,
what does everyone here think about gay and lesbian marriages?
I don't think they should be allowed because they ruin society as a whole.
Kid's who grow up being raised by two dads or two moms will just be fucked up....
I'm gonna have to blow a whistle here.I'm very much against gay marriages, but the whole ruination of society thing I don't agree with. You make a good point though bringing the kids into it...we have no real examples of kids raised by gay couples, but I'd imagine it would further promote their unnatural lifestyle.
moreover, tons and tons of studies have been done, by actual sociologists (Spedale, et. al), which have shown that same-sex couples are equally conducive to successful child-rearing as are heterosexual couples.news-article said:... 17 percent of gay partnerships ended in divorce compared with 46 percent of the straight relationships
moreover, because of the identity adversity that gays face, they tend to be more open-minded, more educated, and take better care of themselves. i've already discussed this, but these are traits that invariably imply they are at least as supportive and understanding as parents. in my personal experience, i've known three homosexual couples who have raised kids and not a one of them has even so much as joked about sexual preference or that their kids should be a certain way. and not a one of them wound up with a gay child (five kids between the three couples; one of them was my 3rd girlfriend).I mean, I'm all for them getting all the financial benefits for being a married couple, I just don't like the idea of giving young kids that picture growing up, and eventually maybe trying to emulate.
usually, you can't generalize for a group like that. but with gays it's a bit different. the huge stigma they face in society almost invariably motivates these folks to work harder at being more contributing members of society. it's pretty well-documented. remember, i would never make a claim i can't substantiate.GIjet said:As for homosexuals being more educated then heterosexuals... I think that that is bullshit. They are just like any other segment of th population, they are educated, uneducated, wealthy, poor... I don't think that you can generalize the group in that way.
thanks so much; how else can we work together to grow if we can't share and justify our ideas? it's not about agreeing or about some kind of bizarre harmony, but about individual growth by learning new points of view and the subsequent societal growth that follows!Lawdawg428 said:Well put Dan I must give you respect for the things you have to say, its nice to finally meet some one on here that can put a well written opinion on an issue that we as the future of this country are going to have to deal with
i bet you would have loved it if rosa parks and martin luther king never "infested the public with their ideas" also.don't infest the public with their ideas.
People who hate all gays, don't know any gay people. They are they same as anyone else, trying to live their lives, they are just different then most.morelos said:i bet you would have loved it if rosa parks and martin luther king never "infested the public with their ideas" also.
and to the idea of two boys kissing... a pre-pubescent kid who has been sheltered from that sort of thing will be equally confused when he sees a boy and a (ewwww, gross) girl kiss.
get the fuck over it. your kids are going to spend 90% of their lives being exposed to shit you don't support. different political views from yours. different religions. different lifestyles, too. teach your kid to think, unlike you do, so he can grow up and do a better job of finding his own way than you have thus far.
~ dan ~