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How the military can screw you

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So in the civilian world if someone were to accuss you of doing drugs they would need evidence. They couldn't send you to jail just because someone said they saw you do it. But here in the lovely military life if someone says you did it they don't care if the person who said it is in jail or just got busted for something they believe that person and you are either on your way to jail or out on you ass. Thanks uncle sam!!!! So now half of are squadron are out on their ass because someone pointed the finger at them. It doesn't matter if their a hard worker or innocent they don't care because the AIr Force is over manned and they can afford to get rid of us. Nevermind that some of them have no where to go and thats why they joined. I just had to get that off my chest...
 

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What? You have to test positive to receive UCMJ for drugs. Period.
 
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That is not true i had 8 UA's and they cut my hair they all came back negative and thats the same with at least 10 other people and we all are getting out cause of it even though they have no proof
 

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lesmith128 said:
That is not true
Yes it is. They might try to fuck with you, but that would never stand up in a court marshal. Go to JAG and explain what's happening. You CANNOT receive UCMJ for drugs without a positive UA.
 
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Unless you admit to it. Self admission is the same as guilt weather or not you did what you are admitting to... Other than that they need to conduct a drug test or actually catch you in the act or possession of a illegal substance to make something like that stick by the UCMJ. Fight it. Go to legal, dig your heals in and fight. I would.

"I'm not happy till your not happy"

Should have joined the Navy.... we got a bigger airforce any ways.
 
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Your Article 32 rights under the UCMJ provide you with specfic rights of the accused. You are accorded the right to a trial by court-martial and to a military attorney.
You cannot be prosecuted under the UCMJ unless there is evidence against you. If there is evidence against you and you are tried by court-martial then the military must convince the JAG or panel that the evidence is solid enough for a conviction. If it is not, then the accused is acquitted.
If you are accused of something you have the right to DEMAND a trial by court-martial, that cannot be refused.
I would imagine that there are other factors involved, and I would also submit that your peers are being administratively discharged for other reasons.
 

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jung is right... I know a guy who was caught with weed in his lap in a cab while intoxicated and they had to throw it out because the captain of the ship tried him for usage before the test came back... he was givin seperation but before it was imposed the test came back negative... he got a JAG and got it overturned..

course he fucked himself later by making mash wine in a locker and getting caught...
 
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lesmith128 said:
That is not true i had 8 UA's and they cut my hair they all came back negative and thats the same with at least 10 other people and we all are getting out cause of it even though they have no proof
Are you saying that they analyzed your hair? If that's true then you have other issues that are contributing...no one asks for a hair sample if they aren't after something.
 
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yea they took a hair sample to see if i had been doing it. But of course it came back negative. I asked to go to a court martial but they said that it was a wasted of time and money so they just want to give me an admin discharge. We trying to fight it but it is happening to more than just me.
 

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It has already been stated by several other ranters here, but here goes.

When court marshalled, you stand before a panel of high ranking officers. These officers don't need any knowledge of law, because they are to obey military law. But in military law, just as in civil law, you are entitled to due process. They can't just throw you in the brig, or discharge you for no apparent reason. If you didn't do any drugs and do your job as well as you can, then you are in good shape, there is nothing within military law that dictates absolute power like that.
 

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lesmith128 said:
yea they took a hair sample to see if i had been doing it. But of course it came back negative. I asked to go to a court martial but they said that it was a wasted of time and money so they just want to give me an admin discharge. We trying to fight it but it is happening to more than just me.
Then it obviously has nothing to do with drugs. Stop listening to rumors and barracks lawyers.
 
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How are you going to tell me it has nothing to do with drugs when i am going through it right now. This is what is happening now we all got LOR's instead of Court Martials and we all are getting admin Discharged. If you would like I can quote my LOR for you guys.
 

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They're telling you that because quite a few people on this site have either been in, are in, or are going into some branch of the military. Taking hair samples is nearly pointless when a piss test is easier, shorter, and more accurate. I don't think it's got anything to do with drugs either.
 

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They want to give you an Administrative Discharge, but if you fight it, they cannot, legally (Military Law) do that without express consent from a very high ranking officer (i.e. Rear Admiral + [ or Air Force equal]).
 
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If you read the beginning i passed my piss test and they did a hair test jeesh you guys don't listen at all
 

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lesmith128 said:
How are you going to tell me it has nothing to do with drugs when i am going through it right now. This is what is happening now we all got LOR's instead of Court Martials and we all are getting admin Discharged. If you would like I can quote my LOR for you guys.
If they're chaptering you, it's obviously not for drugs. Unless you admitted to having used them or smithing. Like James said, they need a field grade officer to sign off on this, but it could be for anything. Then can't chapter or discharge you without proper evidence and/or a court marshal

You should still get some kind of board hearing for chapters though; go see your JAG officers. Don't let them screw you man.

Are you sure this is only for drugs and not conduct or something else?
lesmith128 said:
If you read the beginning i passed my piss test and they did a hair test jeesh you guys don't listen at all
:rolleyes:

Nothing you've said has made any sense, unless you're just letting them screw you over.
 
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Yea its not just me they are doing this for its quite a few people and are LT has signed off on it. I just don't understand how they can do this without evidence i just wanted to get it off my chest. Sorry

And Yea I am a Women