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I can't believe some idiots here are blaming the Mayor Nagin for this; he hasn't even been mayor long enough to prepare for this. I guess people don't think to blame the fucking corrupt fuckers like Morial and the previous decades of corupt polititians.

If Nagin ran for president, i'd vote for him in a second.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/index.html
(CNN) -- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin blasted the slow pace of federal and state relief efforts in an expletive-laced interview with local radio station WWL-AM.

The following is a transcript of WWL correspondent Garland Robinette's interview with Nagin on Thursday night. Robinette asked the mayor about his conversation with President Bush:

NAGIN: I told him we had an incredible crisis here and that his flying over in Air Force One does not do it justice. And that I have been all around this city, and I am very frustrated because we are not able to marshal resources and we're outmanned in just about every respect. (Listen to the mayor express his frustration in this video -- 12:09)


You know the reason why the looters got out of control? Because we had most of our resources saving people, thousands of people that were stuck in attics, man, old ladies. ... You pull off the doggone ventilator vent and you look down there and they're standing in there in water up to their freaking necks.

And they don't have a clue what's going on down here. They flew down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras, AP reporters, all kind of goddamn -- excuse my French everybody in America, but I am pissed.

WWL: Did you say to the president of the United States, "I need the military in here"?

NAGIN: I said, "I need everything."

Now, I will tell you this -- and I give the president some credit on this -- he sent one John Wayne dude down here that can get some stuff done, and his name is [Lt.] Gen. [Russel] Honore.

And he came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussing and people started moving. And he's getting some stuff done.

They ought to give that guy -- if they don't want to give it to me, give him full authority to get the job done, and we can save some people.

WWL: What do you need right now to get control of this situation?

NAGIN: I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here.

I'm like, "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy.

I've got 15,000 to 20,000 people over at the convention center. It's bursting at the seams. The poor people in Plaquemines Parish. ... We don't have anything, and we're sharing with our brothers in Plaquemines Parish.

It's awful down here, man.

WWL: Do you believe that the president is seeing this, holding a news conference on it but can't do anything until [Louisiana Gov.] Kathleen Blanco requested him to do it? And do you know whether or not she has made that request?

NAGIN: I have no idea what they're doing. But I will tell you this: You know, God is looking down on all this, and if they are not doing everything in their power to save people, they are going to pay the price. Because every day that we delay, people are dying and they're dying by the hundreds, I'm willing to bet you.

We're getting reports and calls that are breaking my heart, from people saying, "I've been in my attic. I can't take it anymore. The water is up to my neck. I don't think I can hold out." And that's happening as we speak.

You know what really upsets me, Garland? We told everybody the importance of the 17th Street Canal issue. We said, "Please, please take care of this. We don't care what you do. Figure it out."

WWL: Who'd you say that to?

NAGIN: Everybody: the governor, Homeland Security, FEMA. You name it, we said it.

And they allowed that pumping station next to Pumping Station 6 to go under water. Our sewage and water board people ... stayed there and endangered their lives.

And what happened when that pumping station went down, the water started flowing again in the city, and it starting getting to levels that probably killed more people.

In addition to that, we had water flowing through the pipes in the city. That's a power station over there.

So there's no water flowing anywhere on the east bank of Orleans Parish. So our critical water supply was destroyed because of lack of action.

WWL: Why couldn't they drop the 3,000-pound sandbags or the containers that they were talking about earlier? Was it an engineering feat that just couldn't be done?

NAGIN: They said it was some pulleys that they had to manufacture. But, you know, in a state of emergency, man, you are creative, you figure out ways to get stuff done.

Then they told me that they went overnight, and they built 17 concrete structures and they had the pulleys on them and they were going to drop them.

I flew over that thing yesterday, and it's in the same shape that it was after the storm hit. There is nothing happening. And they're feeding the public a line of bull and they're spinning, and people are dying down here.

WWL: If some of the public called and they're right, that there's a law that the president, that the federal government can't do anything without local or state requests, would you request martial law?

NAGIN: I've already called for martial law in the city of New Orleans. We did that a few days ago.

WWL: Did the governor do that, too?

NAGIN: I don't know. I don't think so.

But we called for martial law when we realized that the looting was getting out of control. And we redirected all of our police officers back to patrolling the streets. They were dead-tired from saving people, but they worked all night because we thought this thing was going to blow wide open last night. And so we redirected all of our resources, and we hold it under check.

I'm not sure if we can do that another night with the current resources.

And I am telling you right now: They're showing all these reports of people looting and doing all that weird stuff, and they are doing that, but people are desperate and they're trying to find food and water, the majority of them.

Now you got some knuckleheads out there, and they are taking advantage of this lawless -- this situation where, you know, we can't really control it, and they're doing some awful, awful things. But that's a small majority of the people. Most people are looking to try and survive.

And one of the things people -- nobody's talked about this. Drugs flowed in and out of New Orleans and the surrounding metropolitan area so freely it was scary to me, and that's why we were having the escalation in murders. People don't want to talk about this, but I'm going to talk about it.

You have drug addicts that are now walking around this city looking for a fix, and that's the reason why they were breaking in hospitals and drugstores. They're looking for something to take the edge off of their jones, if you will.

And right now, they don't have anything to take the edge off. And they've probably found guns. So what you're seeing is drug-starving crazy addicts, drug addicts, that are wrecking havoc. And we don't have the manpower to adequately deal with it. We can only target certain sections of the city and form a perimeter around them and hope to God that we're not overrun.

WWL: Well, you and I must be in the minority. Because apparently there's a section of our citizenry out there that thinks because of a law that says the federal government can't come in unless requested by the proper people, that everything that's going on to this point has been done as good as it can possibly be.

NAGIN: Really?

WWL: I know you don't feel that way.

NAGIN: Well, did the tsunami victims request? Did it go through a formal process to request?

You know, did the Iraqi people request that we go in there? Did they ask us to go in there? What is more important?

And I'll tell you, man, I'm probably going get in a whole bunch of trouble. I'm probably going to get in so much trouble it ain't even funny. You probably won't even want to deal with me after this interview is over.

WWL: You and I will be in the funny place together.

NAGIN: But we authorized $8 billion to go to Iraq lickety-quick. After 9/11, we gave the president unprecedented powers lickety-quick to take care of New York and other places.

Now, you mean to tell me that a place where most of your oil is coming through, a place that is so unique when you mention New Orleans anywhere around the world, everybody's eyes light up -- you mean to tell me that a place where you probably have thousands of people that have died and thousands more that are dying every day, that we can't figure out a way to authorize the resources that we need? Come on, man.

You know, I'm not one of those drug addicts. I am thinking very clearly.

And I don't know whose problem it is. I don't know whether it's the governor's problem. I don't know whether it's the president's problem, but somebody needs to get their ass on a plane and sit down, the two of them, and figure this out right now.

WWL: What can we do here?

NAGIN: Keep talking about it.

WWL: We'll do that. What else can we do?

NAGIN: Organize people to write letters and make calls to their congressmen, to the president, to the governor. Flood their doggone offices with requests to do something. This is ridiculous.

I don't want to see anybody do anymore goddamn press conferences. Put a moratorium on press conferences. Don't do another press conference until the resources are in this city. And then come down to this city and stand with us when there are military trucks and troops that we can't even count.

Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here. They're not here. It's too doggone late. Now get off your asses and do something, and let's fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country.

WWL: I'll say it right now, you're the only politician that's called and called for arms like this. And if -- whatever it takes, the governor, president -- whatever law precedent it takes, whatever it takes, I bet that the people listening to you are on your side.

NAGIN: Well, I hope so, Garland. I am just -- I'm at the point now where it don't matter. People are dying. They don't have homes. They don't have jobs. The city of New Orleans will never be the same in this time.

WWL: We're both pretty speechless here.

NAGIN: Yeah, I don't know what to say. I got to go.

WWL: OK. Keep in touch. Keep in touch.
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Hell yeah. I just heard that interview on CNN. It was awesome. His response were exactly what they needed to be.
 

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conventional wisdom..

:thumbsup: Nagin good..

:thumbsdn: Bush same smirking chimpfaced asshole as ever, how dare he ever show his simian self in public? the emperor has no clue!!

imagine the uproar if kerry was in power, what the repugs would be screaming? we need an official inquiry into this situation..

on topic, i'm glad you have such a solid mayor, you need him and you deserve him..
 

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Ray Nagin
Mayor on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
By Josh Levin
Posted Friday, Sept. 2, 2005, at 4:14 PM PT



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On Monday night, right after Katrina hit, Mayor Ray Nagin went on television to tell his battered constituents that "the city of New Orleans is in a state of devastation." Speaking softly, and often directly into the camera, Nagin said the only good news he had was that "at some point in time, the federal government will be coming in here en masse." Days passed, looting started, the feds didn't come, and Nagin cracked. In a radio interview Thursday night, he ranted passionately for 14 minutes that the feds had done little to stop thousands of deaths: "Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here! They're not here! It's too doggone late. Now get off your asses and let's do something, and let's fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country!" Nagin didn't stop until he broke down in tears.

This is the story of Nagin's term: ambitious plans derailed by the dismal reality of his often-ungovernable city. In the days prior to Hurricane Katrina's landfall, the 49-year-old mayor ordered New Orleans' first-ever mandatory evacuation. He told those in the most flood-prone areas to leave early, and he set up shuttles to get the 100,000 or so residents without cars to shelters. He announced that the potentially catastrophic hurricane represented "an opportunity for us to come together in a way we've never done before." Instead, Katrina's aftermath turned into a typical—if unimaginably and hellaciously tragic—scene from New Orleans politics, with the requisite allegations that the rudderless, incompetent city government can't deal with the city's intrinsic geographic, economic, and racial problems.

http://www.slate.com/id/2125587/
 

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I just watched Bush on CNN, he was "very upset" and talking to people from the disaster, one boy came up to him, and he put his arm around the boy like a "caring" president, let them take some pictures, and as the kid was Trying to tell him how he felt Bush just turned his back on the kid to look for another Photo Op. What an inhuman piece of shit, America should be ashamed they let this president get put in power. Compare his actions to the Mayor of NO.
 

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again, from boing2.. anti-bush prose..

"The Gulf (of Mexico) War"
Ned Sublette says:

as new orleans, now exclusively populated by a starving, parched skeleton crew of the abandoned descendants of slaves, comes apart at the seams:

the right has gotten their wish. they successfully made government ineffective. this is what happens when you take away the power of government. the point of effective government is to keep this from happening to society. and there is no better poster boy for the ineffectivity of government than the sitting president.

the literal meaning of homeland security is that you secure the land you live on, no? by now the absolute vacuum of leadership is becoming apparent even to TV viewers.

in his eerie disconnectedness to what's going on around him, isn't it starting to seem like bush is heavily medicated? he's *zonked*, right?

do they have him take these long vacations so they can change his meds? what's going on here? he's got to go. he's got to go *now*.

 
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awesome speech by nagin. MSNBC (the website i thought i could trust for first-hand video) made him look like a total ass and only allowed browsers to listen to when he cusses. ANYONE who has a city underwater, who has been promised help, who has not received help, who has people stuck in attics, on roofs, in flooded houses, on interstates, and the list goes on, can NOT be blamed for saying goddamn and ass a few times. why? it's about time someone said something to get their ass moving.

i read that interview, watched videos, etc.. the government has fucked over new orleans.. and they are JUST starting to try and bring in supplies to redeem themselves.

i used to think: if nagin really wanted to get a mandatory evacuation going, he would've used buses, trains, planes, anything to get those people out of new orleans. of course, no media had said he tried to do that. i seriously thought bush was totally innocent. turns out that he tried to do that, and people the people here in louisiana (where i am from) are just so ignorant, they thought that the bowl-shaped city would withstand a cat 4. it didn't, and now they're stuck. and you'd think something could easily be done to save the people.

of course, it does take time to gather enough supplies to bring to 20,000 people...

but damn.. it looks like they are filming in a highly-developed version of Port au Prince, Haiti. this past june, a church group i'm involved in planned a trip to Haiti to bring in supplies the people need. a few weeks before they went, a hurricane went into haiti and destroyed what had already been destroyed. Haiti has nothing. I know what it looks like to have nothing. New Orleans has nothing right now. i'm trying to think of excuses of why the govt couldn't get into new orleans to help sooner, but i'm drawing a blank-------we are in the United States of America. we are not in Haiti.
 

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JLXC said:
I just watched Bush on CNN, he was "very upset" and talking to people from the disaster, one boy came up to him, and he put his arm around the boy like a "caring" president, let them take some pictures, and as the kid was Trying to tell him how he felt Bush just turned his back on the kid to look for another Photo Op. What an inhuman piece of shit, America should be ashamed they let this president get put in power. Compare his actions to the Mayor of NO.
I know, I watched it this afternoon at like, 1 or so. It was really annoying because it was so obviously scripted.
 
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i hate scripted speeches, especially ones that are so obvious he didn't come up with (those are usually the ones that he glances 20 times each sentence to get it right).

and even if he did write the speech, he'll glance wherever the speech is.. on the side, above the camera, below the camera, in front of him (PISSES ME OFF) etc...

i didn't watch it, what was the speech about?
 
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It wasn't a speech. It was the right words, on the right place, on the right time. This shows that true leaders don't get elected, but stand up in hard times to get things moving.

What a great man!
America can be proud of him.
 

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RedOctober said:
It wasn't a speech. It was the right words, on the right place, on the right time. This shows that true leaders don't get elected, but stand up in hard times to get things moving.

What a great man!
America can be proud of him.

Are you talking about Bush? Or are you talking about Nagin?
 
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JLXC said:
Are you talking about Bush? Or are you talking about Nagin?
About Nagin!

Who else!?

I wonder if the interview was transmitted by the American media nationwide..
Here it was on CNN Europe, and our own stations.
(Without the beeps)
 

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<<BTW..Those are 200+ unused buses

READ! why Nagin has a huge reason to be on the chopping block for this situation.! The Gov't and FEMA are in place to respond to emergency requests from the local and state officials.

It took a plea from Bush to the Governor to issue an emergency evacuation.

I'm not a huge fan of Bush and I definitely think he is a smiling chimp that couldn't formulate an intelligent sentence to save his life, but this situation goes beyond his incompetence.

There is alot of blood on many different hands in this situation...
 
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Yeah! You see a storm coming, and you simply order 300 civilians to sit behind the steering wheel and drive!

Those bus drivers were busy handling their families!
What would you do asshat!?
Sit and wait untill somebody wants to take the bus to the Funny Farm?
 

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I think the key thing to note here is that a plan was in place to have those buses not under water and readily available for post-disaster evacuations.

4 yrs of planning for just such a disaster that wasn't put into action. I'm sure after recovering the citizens of NOLA will wonder where all their local tax dollars really went.
 
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ThomConspicuous said:
I think the key thing to note here is that a plan was in place to have those buses not under water and readily available for post-disaster evacuations.

4 yrs of planning for just such a disaster that wasn't put into action. I'm sure after recovering the citizens of NOLA will wonder where all their local tax dollars really went.
Well... If you have ever experienced a disaster you would know that panic makes people uncontrolable. You can plan what you want, but shit happens!

Aid should be flexible, and from other regions.
That could have been started while Katrina was still raging over NOLA.
 

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Well... If you have ever experienced a disaster you would know that panic makes people uncontrolable. You can plan what you want, but shit happens!
There's a reason leaders are leaders, and plans are made. Panic isn't supposed to be their first response. If I was a citizen of New Orleans, once I got my life together, I'd be wondering WTF my tax dollars went?!

Aid should be flexible, and from other regions.
That could have been started while Katrina was still raging over NOLA.
Absolutely, it should have been coordinated by FEMA, but they failed. In that sense our Gov't dropped the ball hard.
 

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Absolutely, it should have been coordinated by FEMA, but they failed. In that sense our Gov't dropped the ball hard.
they didn't just drop the ball, they didn't see it coming and it hit them hard in the side of the head..
Condi was shoe shopping in NY.
W was on vacation as usual.
Cheney was in Wyoming.
Rumsfart was drinking blood under the cover of darkness.