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Headlines Kilt Flap Bars Boy From Prom

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Apr 18, 2005 6:12 pm US/Central
Alexandria, Minn. (WCCO) A boy was excluded from participating in the Osakis High School prom Friday because he showed up in a kilt.

Eric Schulzetenberg, a guest from another school, said he wore the kilt as a show of respect to his Scottish heritage, not as a stunt.

But school officials said their policy was clear: Boys must wear pants.

"We didn't want T-shirts and shorts, so we developed a policy where (boys) have to wear slacks, a nice shirt and a tie," school Superintendent John Peterka said.

Peterka said the kilt fit into the "shorts" category, so it would not be allowed.

"They should be able to accept other cultures and other ideas," Schulzetenberg said. "That's part of what education is, it's learning how to get along with other people."

Officials told Schulzetenberg he could take part in the festivities if he put on pants, but he declined.

"You have to try and change things," Schulzetenberg said. "You have to set an example, be able to stand up for what you believe in. I made the stand, even though it's kind of a sacrifice."

Schulzetenberg had to watch from the sidelines as another boy escorted his date, Jena Schoniger, through the prom procession. Schoniger also had to eat dinner alone.

"I actually cried," Schoniger said. "I definitely know that this was not the greatest night of my life. It should be up there, but it's not even in the top 10."

The students received a copy of the dress code in January, officials said.

The school board heard about the potential prom dress code issue around two days before the event took place, Peterka said.

After a discussion, the board decided to keep its dress code policy in place for this year's prom. The board might reconsider the policy next year, Peterka said.

The prom was held at Arrowwood Resort in Alexandria, Minn., about 140 miles northwest of the Twin Cities.



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IMO what this boils down to is one of two things. Homophobic school officials that in their ignorance; think of a kilt as a dress, and those who wear them as cross-dresser.
Or, they're petrified that the constituents in the school district may have those feelings.
The kid has a Scottish heritage, which he wanted to honor. I'd like to see what would happen if they tried to bar a black kid who wore traditional African dress. Or an Asian kid who wanted to wear a Kimono. Both of those have the same properties as a kilt.
They say it was because they "have a dress code and a kilt falls into the category of shorts".
You'll notice though in the video that his date was allowed to wear huge butterfly wings.

Ignorance at it's finest.
 

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i'd like to think that in all my years i've developed a special kind of discrimination.....Its not based on race or religion but i put people into two groups.....Stupid People and Smart People.....Stupid people decide to dash any chance of prom night pussy because they want to make a statement about kilt wearing....Smart people swoop in a take stupid people's date's to the prom. You have to pick your battles.
 
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Kilts..

Being Scottish myself, I'm proud of my heritage as most Scots are. This kid wants to wear it to show that - If I were his Superintendant I'd give the kid a pat on the back for having the balls to show up in the kilt.

As for making the kid eat his dinner alone and not be able to escort his date through the procession - once again he's being "shown up" and humiliated in front of his peers.

The majority of Scots who are proud of where they originate, wear a kilt on their wedding day - as the newscaster said about Prince Charles (the future King of England) wears his (even though he isn't in the slightest bit Scottish), but also a number of movie celebrities wear them.
 

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Frankly, I this the kid screwed up. The dress code was published in January. It states boys have to wear pants. He chose to wear a kilt which is pretty far from wearing pants. He needed to seek an exception, or at least clarification, ahead of time.

What this boils down to is he tried to make a statement, got shut down by the rules (which admitedly seem to be a bit lacking) and now he's whinning.

All he had to do was put pants ON. Nobody said he had to take the kilt off.
 

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bigck3000 said:
i'd like to think that in all my years i've developed a special kind of discrimination.....Its not based on race or religion but i put people into two groups.....Stupid People and Smart People.....Stupid people decide to dash any chance of prom night pussy because they want to make a statement about kilt wearing....Smart people swoop in a take stupid people's date's to the prom. You have to pick your battles.
picking your battles is true, to show my heritage i wouldnt have started on the night, i would have taken it too them about a week beforehand, and if they said no. then id kick up a fuss. but who i side with, its a tough one. i really dont know, i mean the school has its reasons but the kid was just plain stupid to pick the battle on that night.
 
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Schulzetenberg ???

Doesn't sound Sco'ish to me... :confused:

But on the other hand, a kilt is far more practical than pants.
And more healthy for the seedlings too.. :rolleyes:
 

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YUCK FOU!!! said:
picking your battles is true, to show my heritage i wouldnt have started on the night, i would have taken it too them about a week beforehand, and if they said no. then id kick up a fuss. but who i side with, its a tough one. i really dont know, i mean the school has its reasons but the kid was just plain stupid to pick the battle on that night.
read the article. two days before the prom it says teh schoolboard found out and stuck to their guns. so this kid definitely knew they weren't going to allow it, but he chose to anyway.

i may be being a pessimist, but i dont think that that kid's true intentions were to showoff his scottish heritage. i think it was a stunt and then he pulled out the whole scottish thing. ive seen similar things done
 

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Yea, that's what I was thinking, more of a german ring to it. Maybe his father was German and his mother was Scottish.
 
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wtf.

I think that is totally fucked up. I am half Scottish and am very proud of my heritage. I have several ceremonial kilts also a few casual kilts.I think they should have let him wear the damn kilt.Also several of the kilts i have have an attachment on them that basically make em' pants.They let me war mine to school because it is considered racial i guess to not let me.Hell as long as the thing stays within six six inches of my knee.(it actually goes past my knees)
www.utilikilts.com They sell freedom!!!
 

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Schulzetenberg ???

Doesn't sound Sco'ish to me... :confused:

But on the other hand, a kilt is far more practical than pants.
And more healthy for the seedlings too.. :rolleyes:
So what you're saying is, you can only be scottish if your father is scottish? If your mother is 100% scottish, would that not make you 50% scottish? Alternatively, if all of your grand parents except for your grandfather on your father's side was scottish, and your mother was scottish, would you not be close to 100% scottish but still have (in this case) a German last name?
 
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So what you're saying is, you can only be scottish if your father is scottish? If your mother is 100% scottish, would that not make you 50% scottish? Alternatively, if all of your grand parents except for your grandfather on your father's side was scottish, and your mother was scottish, would you not be close to 100% scottish but still have (in this case) a German last name?
Yes, it seems logic to me, that you are only entitled to wear a kilt if you have a Scottish name.

But the point is, the lad wanted to go to the party with a kilt, and used his Scottish ancestry as an excuse. It's ok to wear a kilt anyway, if it is in a proper style and not with patterns that don't fit with the family background of the man wearing it.
 

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I'd like to add a few comments. I am Eric's father.
1. Schulzetenberg is German, but he gets the Scottish from his mother's side of the family. He has worn the kilt to numerous school events at his own high school and at high school speech competitions. The kilt is in the Mitchell tartan, in honor of his ancestors. (from the Mitchell clan) THIS WAS NOT A STUNT OF ANY KIND!
2. We did not find out there would be a problem with the kilt until we listened to our phone messages the evening before the prom.
3. We were not provided a copy of the school dress code until I specifically asked for one after my son had been barred from the formal meal the night of the event. The prom advisor, a Mr. Ryan, was very diplomatic but had no authority to make any acceptions to the schools "rules" . The school principal and the school superintendant were at the event, but refused to come talk to us :bonk: . Mr. Ryan was accompanied by a Douglas County Deputy Sheriff.
4. Eric was allowed to watch the grand march only, and that only because a television news crew showed up to cover the event.
5. This event has drawn a great deal of interest, including numerous newspaper articles in the US and several in Scotland. If you care to see the television news report, check out http://wcco.dayport.com/launcher/6444/
A high speed internet connection is recommended, and you may have to put up with a short "commercial" first.
 

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I'd like to add a few comments. I am Eric's father.
1. Schulzetenberg is German, but he gets the Scottish from his mother's side of the family. He has worn the kilt to numerous school events at his own high school and at high school speech competitions. The kilt is in the Mitchell tartan, in honor of his ancestors. (from the Mitchell clan) THIS WAS NOT A STUNT OF ANY KIND!
2. We did not find out there would be a problem with the kilt until we listened to our phone messages the evening before the prom.
3. We were not provided a copy of the school dress code until I specifically asked for one after my son had been barred from the formal meal the night of the event. The prom advisor, a Mr. Ryan, was very diplomatic but had no authority to make any acceptions to the schools "rules" . The school principal and the school superintendant were at the event, but refused to come talk to us :bonk: . Mr. Ryan was accompanied by a Douglas County Deputy Sheriff.
4. Eric was allowed to watch the grand march only, and that only because a television news crew showed up to cover the event.
5. This event has drawn a great deal of interest, including numerous newspaper articles in the US and several in Scotland. If you care to see the television news report, check out http://wcco.dayport.com/launcher/6444/
A high speed internet connection is recommended, and you may have to put up with a short "commercial" first.

SPAM!!!

Betcha "Erik's father" won't ever come back.
 

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I'll assume for sake of argument that the above post is real. Even if not the same applies anyhow.

Sometimes the rules suck. They can't cover every possible thing, and I can only hope they make it a rule that men can wear kilts in the future. I'm gonna have to go with the board on this one though, because if it was clearly stated in the rules, and I'm sure word of mouth, then he should have worn pants. I understand the desire to want exceptions for religious and cultural reasons, but as america is the mixing pot, schools moreso, if they made exceptions for all the things people wanted there would be no rules at all.
 

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I don't consider additional facts, not available in the original news stories, as "Spam". You are right, you won't hear from "Erik's father" although you did hear back from Eric's father.

This in not the only case of ignorant school officials recently in the news.
What about the gal who was not allowed to be her class valadictorian because she missed 6 weeks of school her junior year ,... due to being hospitalized,.... made up the work and was at the top of her class (GPA).
Then there was the girl barred from receiving her diploma on stage because she was pregnant, but the girl's boyfriend (the father) was presented his diploma on stage!

I'll bet you side with the schools on those issues too, but then what else would be expected from a person who lets their bias show by using a school bus icon to accompany their postings?

By the way JLXC, please re-read my post. RE: point #2 and #3.
 

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I don't consider additional facts, not available in the original news stories, as "Spam". You are right, you won't hear from "Erik's father" although you did hear back from Eric's father.

This in not the only case of ignorant school officials recently in the news.
What about the gal who was not allowed to be her class valadictorian because she missed 6 weeks of school her junior year ,... due to being hospitalized,.... made up the work and was at the top of her class (GPA).
Then there was the girl barred from receiving her diploma on stage because she was pregnant, but the girl's boyfriend (the father) was presented his diploma on stage!

I'll bet you side with the schools on those issues too, but then what else would be expected from a person who lets their bias show by using a school bus icon to accompany their postings?

By the way JLXC, please re-read my post. RE: point #2 and #3.
Ok tweedle-dee.. It was SPAM. You joined, logged in and posted just that ONE thing. With no proof that it is dipshit's father. You contributed nothing else. Then you go and post in a dead thread.

Do I side with all the stupid rules? No. Did you not read the part where I pointed out that your dipshit KNEW AHEAD of time and did it anyway? He didn't try to get a waiver. He just pulled a stunt. He got what he deserved.

The chick who missed 6 weeks of school... tough tiddly winks for her. She missed 6 weeks and probably DIDN'T appeal it to the school board. Or she did and they're a bunch of clueless asswipes. Ask me if I care.

The pregnant girl... stupid assed rule to not let someone walk cuz they're fat. Then again, since she and her man both obviously didn't pay enough attention in sex ed I guess neither should have even graduated.

And let's get something clear. It's a fucking SHORT BUS. How's about you pick a fucking avatar before ragging on someone else's dipshit.

Your kid got what he deserved. He knew the God damn rules and he flaunted them. Does he think he's fucking special? News flash: HE'S NOT. I'd suggest you try this thing called "parenting" but apparently it's too late: you already raised a fucking moron.
 

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oooooooooo, touchy touchy. My mistake. I thought you drove the short bus, but you're just a life long passenger. Sorry I wasted my time thinking you were an intelegent individual who could actually carry on an intelegent conversation without resorting to explitives. By the way, some of us do have jobs and a real life, and are not able to come back and post all day long every day, but I know you wouldn't understand these things. (Being the short bus passenger that you are.) I hope you do everyone a favor and get a life.
 

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oooooooooo, touchy touchy. My mistake. I thought you drove the short bus, but you're just a life long passenger. Sorry I wasted my time thinking you were an intelegent individual who could actually carry on an intelegent conversation without resorting to explitives. By the way, some of us do have jobs and a real life, and are not able to come back and post all day long every day, but I know you wouldn't understand these things. (Being the short bus passenger that you are.) I hope you do everyone a favor and get a life.
I don't care if you come back every day.

So tell me, is he really your kid? Or you are just an attention whore after all?

Back to my original point: Your kid (assuming you're not the whore you appear to be) new the rules before hand. It might have been the NIGHT before but he knew. Rather than make a formal request for an exception he just pulled a stunt. When they shut him down he refused to change his outfit. Now he's whinning because he missed the fun.

To recap:
1. The kid new the rules
2. He broke them
3. He refused to make right by his actions
4. Now he's upset that he got punished.

Tell me, is that about right? Is that what this is about?