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Microsoft To Drop Support For Windows 2000 By June 30 - What a Fuckup!

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Microsoft to Roll Out Windows 2000 Update Rollup
June 2, 2005

By Ryan Naraine
Microsoft Corp. plans to announce as early as next week that it is ready to ship a Windows 2000 Update Rollup, the final security patch for the 5-year-old operating system.

[size=+0]ADVERTISEMENT[/size]&lt;a&gt;<img></a> The Update Rollup, which replaces Windows 2000 SP5 (Service Pack 5), is a cumulative set of hot fixes, security patches and critical updates packaged together for easy deployment.



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"The [quality assurance] tests are done, and it's ready to go. An announcement is imminent," a Microsoft source told Ziff Davis Internet News.

An announcement could coincide with the company's TechEd conference, scheduled for Orlando, Fla., next week.

The Update Rollup will contain all security-related updates produced for Windows 2000 between the time SP4 was released and the date the update ships. It will also feature a small number of important, non-security updates.

The Update Rollup comes just one month before mainstream support for Windows 2000 client and server releases expires on June 30. Microsoft divides its support lifecycle into two phases: mainstream and extended. Once a product enters the extended support period, Microsoft charges for support.

Click here to read more about time running out on mainstream Windows 2000 support.

Windows 2000 remains the most dominant operating system used in the enterprise, but once mainstream support ends later this month, analysts expect corporate migration to Windows XP to speed up.

According to a message posted on Microsoft's Windows 2000 site, the Update Rollup will require less pre-deployment testing because the number of updates included in the Update Rollup is significantly lower than the number typically included in a service pack.

Deployment is also easier because Microsoft has already released most of the contents of the Update Rollup as individual updates and hot fixes.

Microsoft scraps plans for Windows 2000 SP5. Click here to read more.

"Individual hot fixes made since SP4, but not included in the Update Rollup, will remain available via individual downloads," the company explained in the notice. "Customers who have not yet deployed Windows SP4 must deploy that SP4 as soon as possible because SP4 will be a prerequisite for deploying the Update Rollup."



The Update Rollup will ship as a "critical update" via the Windows Update mechanism.

Microsoft typically uses update rollups to deliver a select group of fixes between service packs or late in a product's life cycle./p

There were three previous instances when Microsoft released update rollups for Windows products, including a Windows 2000 Security Rollup Package 1 (SRP1) in January 2000 and a Windows XP Update Rollup in 2003.

Check out eWEEK.com's Windows Center for Microsoft and Windows news, views and analysis.



Copyright (c) 2005 Ziff Davis Media Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Great move, assholes! With an install base as large as Windows 2000 Pro, you are now SURE to fall out of grace, ya fuckin' morons. I fucking love having to reinstall Windows Server 2003 after I FINALLY load on all my bullshit onto a Windows 2000 Pro install.

It's not even like this is fuckin' Windows 98, 2000 is based on the same architecture as Windows XP. I think this is the biggest fuckup Micro$hit has ever done, and I'm fucking fuming right now because of the crap I have to do to insure my system si secure...8 hours out of my fucking life! FUCK YOU GUYS!

If I was running a fuckin' company, I would just switch ta Linux and FUCK Monopoly$hit right in the ass. It'd be cheaper in the long run anyway.

Cheers, M$ :mfinger:. This is the most blatant disregard for the customer I've EVER seen in the computing industry.
 

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I still don't know why so many people use PC..
Why not just go Mac?
 

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Great move, assholes! With an install base as large as Windows 2000 Pro, you are now SURE to fall out of grace, ya fuckin' morons. I fucking love having to reinstall Windows Server 2003 after I FINALLY load on all my bullshit onto a Windows 2000 Pro install.

It's not even like this is fuckin' Windows 98, 2000 is based on the same architecture as Windows XP. I think this is the biggest fuckup Micro$hit has ever done, and I'm fucking fuming right now because of the crap I have to do to insure my system si secure...8 hours out of my fucking life! FUCK YOU GUYS!

If I was running a fuckin' company, I would just switch ta Linux and FUCK Monopoly$hit right in the ass. It'd be cheaper in the long run anyway.

Cheers, M$ :mfinger:. This is the most blatant disregard for the customer I've EVER seen in the computing industry.
You can't say you didn't know that was comming. They discontinued the support for the older versions. Did you just think they were going to skip 2000?
 

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Great move, assholes! With an install base as large as Windows 2000 Pro, you are now SURE to fall out of grace, ya fuckin' morons.
What are you talking about? Any IT department worth it's weight has already migrated to 2003, and there haven't been any major patches for 2000 in quite some time. Moreover, this won't even effect home users.
I fucking love having to reinstall Windows Server 2003 after I FINALLY load on all my bullshit onto a Windows 2000 Pro install.
Eccentricities aside, why do you have to do that? And even if you feel you have to, why were you running a 7 year old OS anyway?
It's not even like this is fuckin' Windows 98, 2000 is based on the same architecture as Windows XP.
I know we've already been over the core differences before, so why do you continue to think they're identical?
I think this is the biggest fuckup Micro$hit has ever done, and I'm fucking fuming right now because of the crap I have to do to insure my system si secure...8 hours out of my fucking life!
Again, what the hell are you talking about? Install 2000, install SP4 and hit Windows update; problem solved. 8 hours? What are you going to do that requires 8 hours to 'fix?'
If I was running a fuckin' company, I would just switch ta Linux and FUCK Monopoly$hit right in the ass. It'd be cheaper in the long run anyway.
You say this, yet you've never held an IT job in your life. Awesome!

Why would you switch to Linux just because they stopped supporting an old OS? That makes no sense. Also, Linux is only cheaper in certain environments. The money you save on licenses and software is often made up for with support, training and more software costs. (not everything for Linux/UNIX is free and opensource.)

If you ran a company, you'd probably run it into the ground...
dzaykim said:
I still don't know why so many people use PC..
Why not just go Mac?
Because PCs aren't bad if you actually know what you're doing. Clueless people make them out to be crappy computers, but they're not. Also, because Mac OSX can't do a lot of things that Windows can, and people like to play games and use familiar software.
 

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You can't say you didn't know that was comming. They discontinued the support for the older versions. Did you just think they were going to skip 2000?
Oh, I knew it was coming, but I never thought it would happen this soon. Bad move. I factored in the current generation of the NT core.

Now retailers will be forced to slash prices on it and absorb the loss. It's going to be the Sega 32X/Atari Jaguar/Panasonic 3DO of OSes, except people actually like Windows 2000 and use it unlike those fucking contraptions. You are going to have places like Staples, NewEgg, and ZipZoomFly slashing a $100+ product down to less than $50, and nobody will like that.
 

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If I was running a fuckin' company, I would just switch ta Linux and FUCK Monopoly$hit right in the ass. It'd be cheaper in the long run anyway.

Cheers, M$ :mfinger:. This is the most blatant disregard for the customer I've EVER seen in the computing industry.


Remember that time you tried to install linux, and couldn't? :thumbsup:
 

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Oh, I knew it was coming, but I never thought it would happen this soon. Bad move. I factored in the current generation of the NT core.
Actually, it's optimal time for them to dump support for 2k; it's time to put everything into Longhorn.
You are going to have places like Staples, NewEgg, and ZipZoomFly slashing a $100+ product down to less than $50, and nobody will like that.
People don't like cheap software? :rolleyes:
 

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What are you talking about? Any IT department worth it's weight has already migrated to 2003, and there haven't been any major patches for 2000 in quite some time. Moreover, this won't even effect home users.

Eccentricities aside, why do you have to do that? And even if you feel you have to, why were you running a 7 year old OS anyway?

I know we've already been over the core differences before, so why do you continue to think they're identical?

Again, what the hell are you talking about? Install 2000, install SP4 and hit Windows update; problem solved. 8 hours? What are you going to do that requires 8 hours to 'fix?'
You say this, yet you've never held an IT job in your life. Awesome!

Why would you switch to Linux just because they stopped supporting an old OS? That makes no sense. Also, Linux is only cheaper in certain environments. The money you save on licenses and software is often made up for with support, training and more software costs. (not everything for Linux/UNIX is free and opensource.)

If you ran a company, you'd probably run it into the ground...

Because PCs aren't bad if you actually know what you're doing. Clueless people make them out to be crappy computers, but they're not. Also, because Mac OSX can't do a lot of things that Windows can, and people like to play games and use familiar software.
Why am I even responding to this? Read comprehend post. I'm talking clientside here - not server side. 8 hours to reload apps, preferences, drivers etc. I am not talking IT. I do not even honestly know why you assumed I was talking about serverside shit, because you know I've said before I do not work in IT. I don't work it at all. It's called New York State fascism.

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People don't like cheap software?
No, retailers do. Eventually they may lose faith and decide to carry less M$ stock on hand bit by bit - unlikely, but if a new M$ product seems a bit risky, they may, say, order 8 instead of 10 copies, which adds up after a while.

When I'm talking about retailers and I say "Nobody," of course I am referring to businesses, not EU's.

Also, you heard how unimpressive the developer build of Longhorn they showed in April was, right? M$ ordered anyone who posted screengrabs to remove it. Even Paul Thurrott disliked the build immensely and hated the WinHEC conference this year.
 

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Because PCs aren't bad if you actually know what you're doing. Clueless people make them out to be crappy computers, but they're not. Also, because Mac OSX can't do a lot of things that Windows can, and people like to play games and use familiar software.
Ahhh, yeah I kind of figured. I switched over a couple years ago and that was one of the sadder periods of my life. ;)
 

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Why am I even responding to this? Read comprehend post. I'm talking clientside here - not server side. 8 hours to reload apps, preferences, drivers etc. I am not talking IT. I do not even honestly know why you assumed I was talking about serverside shit, because you know I've said before I do not work in IT. I don't work it at all. It's called New York State fascism.

You said you were switching to a server-software (Server 2003).

Clientside -- Serveside???? We aren't discussing web technologies here.

By the way, why do you have to change OSes now?
 

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Remember that time you tried to install linux, and couldn't? :thumbsup:
Yeah, I know. I bet I could easily do it now. Besides, it was CollegeLinux, which has been known to have a crappy installer.

I discovered that later that week the hard drive was becoming corrupt and it shitted out on me installing Mandrake, ironically. Using my stopwatch and a calculator, I discovered that the maximum sustained transfer rate dropped to 300KB/sec, or a double-speed CD-ROM drive. It then died flat out ten minutes later, with the red access light on my box stuck on. It was a 10GB Seagate 5400/512K drive from my old Celeron box.
 

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You said you were switching to a server-software (Server 2003).

Clientside -- Serveside???? We aren't discussing web technologies here.

By the way, why do you have to change OSes now?
After I got my ID stolen in December, I've been uber paranoid. That's why I changed my username to Descent.

Anyway, I assume you know that Windows Server 2003 can be run as a workstation, and I that I've done it before.

If XP didn't interrupt me every two seconds with a Wizard, RetardHelper, GenericAnimatedAssistant, etc. I'd run it. But I'm not going to.
 

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Ahhh, yeah I kind of figured. I switched over a couple years ago and that was one of the sadder periods of my life. ;)
After using OSX for a few years off and on, I finally bought a 12" PowerBook last Christmas. I like OSX for what it is; UNIX with a pretty user interface. I still don't use it for everything though; I use it mostly for browsing the web and programming. I like Windows for certain things too, mostly development, media capabilities and programming - games are also a large part. I like Linux and UNIX as well, and my Mac fits right in at work when I have to access those machines. Switching OS/companies to fix user errors is a bad idea though, and Macs aren't infallible.
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Why am I even responding to this? Read comprehend post. I'm talking clientside here - not server side.
Did you miss the parts of my post that addresses the client side? I specifically made a point to address both sides.

Seems like you should R;C;P!

8 hours to reload apps, preferences, drivers etc.
How can you possibly have that much crap on your home PC? It took me maybe 3 1/2 hours to get my PC back up and running last time I formatted. It was the first format in over 4 years too!

Stop playing musical OSes and you won't have a problem. Then you can image your disk and just copy it back over if you have any problems.
I do not even honestly know why you assumed I was talking about serverside shit, because you know I've said before I do not work in IT.
Well, obviously, this would effect more than just home users, hence why I commented on it.
It's called New York State fascism.
What the fuck are you talking about? :confused:
 

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After I got my ID stolen in December, I've been uber paranoid. That's why I changed my username to Descent.

Anyway, I assume you know that Windows Server 2003 can be run as a workstation, and I that I've done it before.

If XP didn't interrupt me every two seconds with a Wizard, RetardHelper, GenericAnimatedAssistant, etc. I'd run it. But I'm not going to.

LOL.exe

Uhm. What? What the hell kind of sense does that make?

I run XP on multiple computers here at home. I never get interrupted with any sorts of wizards, or helpers. Ever. That is, unless I am trying to install a game, and the game's installer comes up. :rolleyes:
 

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After using OSX for a few years off and on, I finally bought a 12" PowerBook last Christmas. I like OSX for what it is; UNIX with a pretty user interface. I still don't use it for everything though; I use it mostly for browsing the web and programming. I like Windows for certain things too, mostly development, media capabilities and programming - games are also a large part. I like Linux and UNIX as well, and my Mac fits right in at work when I have to access those machines. Switching OS/companies to fix user errors is a bad idea though, and Macs aren't infallible.
Did you miss the parts of my post that addresses the client side? I specifically made a point to address both sides.

Seems like you should R;C;P!


How can you possibly have that much crap on your home PC? It took me maybe 3 1/2 hours to get my PC back up and running last time I formatted. It was the first format in over 4 years too!

Stop playing musical OSes and you won't have a problem. Then you can image your disk and just copy it back over if you have any problems.

Well, obviously, this would effect more than just home users, hence why I commented on it.

What the fuck are you talking about? :confused:
I got owned. I admit I was wrong about not reading clientside.

The amount of games I have on this thing is impressive - and those take a while. Also, after I install something, I always set it up for permanent use.

WoW - c. 1:30 including patches
UT2004 - 20-30 Minutes
UT99 - 12 Mins
FreeSpace 2 - 30 minutes, including configuration
FreeSpace 2 Source Code Project Enhancement - 12 minutes, Media VP packages included
FreeSpace - 5 Minutes
Doom 3 - 20? Can't remember
Mods - Long Time
Steam Apps - I actualy backup all .GCF files before clean installing Steam. Those take a LONG TIME - Enormous. 30 minutes total.

Other shit, preferences in Windows, Misc. Stuff - Depends.

Every time I've clean formatted it's 8 hours total. It may be narrowed down to 6 with my current setup - 3200+.
 

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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS WINDOWS 2003 WORKSTATION MODE.

I know I've said that enough times for it to sink in... Microsoft doesn't manufacture Server 2003 as a workstation, warez kiddies decided it would be cool to disable/enable a few things and call it that. That doesn't mean shit. Server20003 is a server OS, bottom line. Enabling audio and DirectX doesn't change that. :rolleyes:
Descent said:
Yeah, I know. I bet I could easily do it now. Besides, it was CollegeLinux, which has been known to have a crappy installer.
I thought you had problems with Gentoo and Red Hat?

Looks like you should try installing them again, since "Micro$shit" has obviously wronged you. :rolleyes:
 

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LOL.exe

Uhm. What? What the hell kind of sense does that make?

I run XP on multiple computers here at home. I never get interrupted with any sorts of wizards, or helpers. Ever. That is, unless I am trying to install a game, and the game's installer comes up. :rolleyes:
By interruption, I mean wizardly doing things in XP takes longer, and I also find Server 2003 to be infinitely more stable and secure. Hence the NT 5.2 moniker.
 

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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS WINDOWS 2003 WORKSTATION MODE.

I know I've said that enough times for it to sink in... Microsoft doesn't manufacture Server 2003 as a workstation, warez kiddies decided it would be cool to disable/enable a few things and call it that. That doesn't mean shit. Server20003 is a server OS, bottom line. Enabling audio and DirectX doesn't change that. :rolleyes:
I thought you had problems with Gentoo and Red Hat?

Looks like you should try installing them again, since "Micro$shit" has obviously wronged you. :rolleyes:
Are you calling your friend that YOU PMed ME TO HELP HIM OUT WITH A SERVER 2003 WORKSTATION HE SET UP a Warez kiddy now?

Pardon the caps, I ain't yelling, I wanted to emphasize that ;). Silly goose.

I'm definitely going to perform a Win2K3/Linux dual boot to fuck with. Most likely Gentoo.
 

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Are you calling your friend that YOU PMed ME TO HELP HIM OUT WITH A SERVER 2003 WORKSTATION HE SET UP a Warez kiddy now?
Well, he didn't pay the $999 license fee, so yes. He was interested in the workstation mode thing, I guess he read about it on the internet. He ended up going back to XP after realizing that Audio support in 2003 sucks ass, though.
Most likely Gentoo.
I'm sure you'll enjoy the long and tedius compile times. Waiting an hour just for Firefox to compile and install is
. Then you can post about your uber l33t C flags and optimizations.


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By interruption, I mean wizardly doing things in XP takes longer, and I also find Server 2003 to be infinitely more stable and secure. Hence the NT 5.2 moniker.
Seriously, I've never had a single problem with performance in XP.
 

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I'm sure you'll enjoy the long and tedious compile times. Then you can post about your uber l33t C flags and optimizations.
I R Optimized. :p

Compile times are long and tedious; specially on an AMD K6-2 266 mhz processor. :cool: