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Purchasing, need advice

Freakless

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Ok, I'm looking to purchase either the:
SAPPHIRE ATI Radeon X800 PRO - $275.99
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ASUS nVIDIA GeForce 6800 - $382.00

I have the money for either of them...


Also what is a good reliable type of DDR2 ramm? If anybody can help me out that would be great.
 

Descent

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First off:

DDR2? Are you going Intel? As of right now, the A64 is the superior gaming chip. The P4 is better for video encoding.

Second off, avoid Sapphire AT ALL COSTS. Get the Gigabyte X800 Pro. It's much faster than the 6800 non-GT and is an assload more reliable than Sapphire crap.

My Sapphire 9700 Pro HAS BAD RAM. On top of that, the contruction is shoddy, i.e. non-reference ATi design that is more prone to problems. The circuit designs are worse, and coupled with the shit-ass EtronTech "2.8ns" memory, it's 5% slower than a real ATi board with 3.3ns Samsung RAM.

ATi also has better Windows drivers, but for Linux nVidia is the only option.

For reliable DDR2 RAM, get Corsair, Crucial, Mushkin, or Samsung. Corsair is the best out of all those.

Infineon is good too. My main rig has 512MB Infineon PC3200 RAM in dual-channel and it's very reliable. I bought it from a friend for $50.
 

Freakless

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Descent said:
it's 5% slower than a real ATi board with 3.3ns Samsung RAM.
lol, thanks 5% doesn't matter that much to me, what about Asus boards? I know they make shibby momma boards...

GIGABYTE ATI Radeon X800 XL Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, 256-Bit, DVI/TV Out, PCI-Express, Model "GV-RX80L256V" -RETAIL
$332.00 on Newegg.com

Think it is worth it?
 

Descent

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Asus cards are very good.

It's not the 5% that bothers me, it's the principle of selling a high end video card, shitting it up, and cheating the EU.

I'd recommend the X800 Pro over the 6800 non-GT.
 

Freakless

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ASUS ATI Radeon X800 Video Card, 256MB DDR, 256-Bit, DVI/VIVO, PCI-Express, Model "EAX800/2DTV/256M/A" -RETAIL
$345.00 on newegg

Only $13 more than the Gigabyte card. Which would you reccomend?
 

Hypertron

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Decents SAPPHIRE card is one of the models that had problems from the beginning. I would highly recommend a SAPPHIRE x800 Pro, thats the card and its worked perfectly since i got it in december.
 

Descent

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Hypertron said:
Decents SAPPHIRE card is one of the models that had problems from the beginning. I would highly recommend a SAPPHIRE x800 Pro, thats the card and its worked perfectly since i got it in december.
I'm not the only guy with these troubles...

Does your card have Samsung or EtronTech RAM?
 

BRiT

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You do have a motherboard with PCI-Express video slot, right? If not then you need to look into AGP video cards. Also, don't fall for the more expensive card must be better.

You can pickup the ATI X800 XL for PCI-Express. The X800 XL [16 pipelines] is a faster card than the X800 Pro [12 pipelines]. This is THE card to get for PCI-Express Video in the $300 range. They should be listed for $290ish on NewEgg -- http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-509&depa=0

Here is the rundown on rankings of the ATI X800 series, from slowest to fastest:
X800 SE, X800, X800 PRO($280-360), X800 XL ($290), X800 XT ($430), X800 XT PE ($480-500), X850 XT ($475-$520), X850 XT PE ($590).

Performance wise, the X800 XL is about 80-90% the performance of the X850 XT PE (in some cases close to 95%). This is great performance for a part that is $300 cheaper than the top end. The high-end performance is fairly close to one another. The X850 XT PE is ~3% faster than the X850 XT. The X850 XT is ~= the X800 XT PE. The X800 XT PE is ~3% faster than the X800 XT.

Here's the rundown on the X800 series in HalfLife2 (with some Nvidia cards tossed in) from TechReport.com [ http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x800xl/index.x?pg=6 ]
 

BRiT

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Performance levels only...

X800 XL > X800 Pro.
X800 XL > 6800

X800 XL ~= 6800 GT

It all comes down to price ranges for performance.

In Doom 3 the Nvidia GeForce series is generally faster than the ATI X800 series.
In HalfLife2/FarCry the ATI X800 series is generally faster than the Nvidia GeForce series. (Sometimes the X800 XL even edges out the 6800 Ultra SLI)

Other things to consider...
The GeForce 6800 series offers ShaderModel 3.0 feature support. This may or may not be an issue down the road as game development progresses.
The ATI X800 series offers better image quality with its sparse-sample gamma-corrected AntiAliasing.
 

UberSkippy

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Hmmmm and yet we're talking about differences so minute that nobody'll ever notice them aren't we? I mean really... 100fps or 101fps... ;)
 

Freakless

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BRiT

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I would not recommend spending any more money on an Asus edition of ANY video card. Their cards are nothing but overpriced and underdelivered. If you want to waste money, just buy an Nvidia 6800 Ultra or ATI X850 XT PE.
 

Freakless

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BRiT said:
I would not recommend spending any more money on an Asus edition of ANY video card. Their cards are nothing but overpriced and underdelivered. If you want to waste money, just buy an Nvidia 6800 Ultra or ATI X850 XT PE.
Oook, what company would you recommend? Just the generic ATI gpu?
 

Descent

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BRiT said:
You can pickup the ATI X800 XL for PCI-Express. The X800 XL [16 pipelines] is a faster card than the X800 Pro [12 pipelines]. This is THE card to get for PCI-Express Video in the $300 range. They should be listed for $290ish on NewEgg -- http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-102-509&depa=0
Word. I forgot he needed a PCI-E card...

BRiT's the local hardware guru.
 

BRiT

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Freakless said:
Oook, what company would you recommend? Just the generic ATI gpu?
Yes. The ATI-made cards are great.

It would be different if the Asus version offered anything over and above the ATI version, but in this case it doesn't. That also seems to be the case of the Asus GeForce 6800 (nonGT). It's the same price as others' GeForce 6800 GT models. Maybe it's just me, but spending an extra $60-100 for no benefits seems silly to me. But do what you want.
 

Zickddot

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hmmm i sure know exactly wat u guys are talking about...nawww i was just kidding

im more of a software guy.