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Headlines Question about the next 4 years

voiceofreason

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Below are Bush's major points from the "Plan" for the next 4 years. I see a lot of things that COST money, but nothing that speaks to how it will all be PAID for in the end. Oh, and keep in mind we're staying in Iraq "as along as it takes".

How will this work?

• Reforming America’s High Schools: President Bush will provide $250 million annually to extend state assessment of student reading and math skills.
• Jobs for the 21st Century Initiative: President Bush will provide $500 million for Jobs for the 21st Century, which will help educate and train high-skilled American workers in schools and community colleges.
• Tax Reform: President Bush will work to make the tax code simpler for taxpayers, encourage saving and investment, and improve the economy’s ability to create jobs and raise wages.
• Helping the Working Uninsured by Expanding Health Savings Accounts: President Bush will propose a tax credit for Health Savings Account contributions to help individuals and families who work for small businesses fund their Health Savings Accounts.
• Make Health Care Accessible: President Bush will call for a community health center in every poor county in America.
• Promote Comp-Time and Flex-Time: President Bush will work to enable employees to choose paid time off as an alternative to overtime pay and to give employees the option of shifting work hours during a pay period.
• Crack Down On Drugs in Schools: President Bush will increase funding for school drug testing to help students resist peer pressure and help parents intervene with students in need.
• Homeownership: President Bush will provide assistance to help America to meet his new goal of creating 7 million new, affordable homes in 10 years.
• Social Security Reform: President Bush will strengthen and enhance Social Security, guaranteeing no changes in benefits for current retirees and near-retirees, while giving younger workers the opportunity to use their Social Security payroll taxes to build a nest egg for retirement that can be passed on to their families.
 

voiceofreason

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At this point 23 views, but not one answer.

Where are all those folks who voted for Bush with those big ideas??
 

RageAgainst

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listen, there is NO WAY Bush can get the country out of the deficit with this kind of plan while occupying iraq. I wonder if they have a plan to eliminate the deficit and pay off the debt or if they just don't really give a shit...
 

frgrbrgr

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well, i don't know how we're gonna pay for most of that. I had this crazy idea the other day about making public school cost money. but that's just crazy.

1) isn't free education a communist ideal?

2) even if it was only $100, it would make parents CARE about what happens during the day. Some parents regard school as free day-care. which makes me sick.

3) and i know some ppl cant afford even that, so we could have rebates or something, but you know what? most could.

4) 100 x sum of children in US = a bunch of money to pay for things.

at LEAST this money could go towards helping pay teachers salaries or get better books or supplies.

NOTE: before you reply saying "shit this is teh stoopid shit. school should be fucking free," think about it. why should it be free? this CAPITALIST idea would make school compete to get more kids, and therefore more money, so schools would have to spend money on the kids, not on stupid administrative shit or pretty new buildings, as some in my mother's school district have seen.

people should care about their children's education. the only way to do so is to make them put down some money.

~ferg
 

RageAgainst

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I don't agree, you poodle. :thumbsdn:

First of all, people already pay taxes to pay for education, now you want the government to make them pay another 100$, directly. For profit. ok..

1) isn't free education a communist ideal?
OMFG YOU HAVE A POINT!!!! I'm serious, really. Well, not. Yes Marx said "free education for all children" but why the fuck would that be a bad idea? hmmm. Plus, the idea of a government making profit over education doesn't sound very right-winged to me. A real hardass capitalist would want to privatize schools; if the government starts nationalizing stuff and making profit out of it, isn't it being a bit socialist..? yea, a bit.

Making people pay an extra 100$ is just like raising taxes, now are you FOR or AGAINST raising taxes? You support Bush, make up your mind..

3) and i know some ppl cant afford even that, but you know what? most could.
A shitload of people have just enough to pay for the basic shit. They struggle to pay the rent. I'm not talking some, I'm talking about roughly 35 million people...

School is mandatory for children, right? Then what is gonna be more imortant, to go to school or to pay the 100$ ? I mean, if you don't pay, you can't go, or what?

why should it be free? this CAPITALIST idea (blahblahblah)
That idea is not a capitalist idea since the profit would have nothing to do with corporations, it would go into the governments pockets and I call that nationalism... But it's still a bad idea. I know the government needs more income, but some things must stay free. Find something else than education to tax; it would penalize mostly the poor. Tax the rich instead, they can afford it :thumbsup:

anyways, fuck debating, im tired and i have class at 10. damnit.
 

breakology

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• Reforming America’s High Schools: President Bush will provide $250 million annually to extend state assessment of student reading and math skills.
How about incouraging high school educators to pursue Masters Degrees (and eventually requiring them) and channeling some of that money toward raising teachers' salaries.
Maybe then we can avoid getting the college washouts who went into teaching as a last resort.
• Jobs for the 21st Century Initiative: President Bush will provide $500 million for Jobs for the 21st Century, which will help educate and train high-skilled American workers in schools and community colleges.
Ok, this is some shit ... instead of spending millions on an inititive to create jobs, stop rewarding big business to outsource all of the techology jobs that already exist.
• Tax Reform: President Bush will work to make the tax code simpler for taxpayers, encourage saving and investment, and improve the economy’s ability to create jobs and raise wages.
Same deal as above ... on that note, tax code is complex for a reason, it is so high dollar lawers can find and expoit tax loopholes for corparations so they they won't have to pay any
• Helping the Working Uninsured by Expanding Health Savings Accounts: President Bush will propose a tax credit for Health Savings Account contributions to help individuals and families who work for small businesses fund their Health Savings Accounts.
Borderline socialist program, the health savings accounts I remember as a civilian were use or lose at the end of every year.
• Make Health Care Accessible: President Bush will call for a community health center in every poor county in America.
and who defines what a "poor county" is? I think his wording would have been better if he had said "a community health center for the poor in every county"
• Promote Comp-Time and Flex-Time: President Bush will work to enable employees to choose paid time off as an alternative to overtime pay and to give employees the option of shifting work hours during a pay period.
this straight sounds like a way to fuck the unions and other salary workers, beware ...
• Crack Down On Drugs in Schools: President Bush will increase funding for school drug testing to help students resist peer pressure and help parents intervene with students in need.
How about helping to keep well paying jobs in the country so little johnny's parents don't both have to work a 12 hour shift and never get to spend time with their kids. Thats a good start. It does'nt take a genius to beat a piss test.
• Homeownership: President Bush will provide assistance to help America to meet his new goal of creating 7 million new, affordable homes in 10 years.
Fucking great! lets corral all the middle and lower classes so they don't bring down the property value of all the new golfing communities.
• Social Security Reform: President Bush will strengthen and enhance Social Security, guaranteeing no changes in benefits for current retirees and near-retirees, while giving younger workers the opportunity to use their Social Security payroll taxes to build a nest egg for retirement that can be passed on to their families.
hhhmmm, look out, I see this developing as another type of tax inititive for big business america. Tax rebates for contribution matching, etc .... look for the the middle class to pick up the slack as usual
 

ReiMeishin

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Here in Japan, money isn't the answer to the problems with education. Here competition and real punishment for failure make students accel. Here grades of all students are posted openly, by name, for everyone to see, if you do poorly, everyone knows about it. And if you are doing better than everybody else, everybody knows it. Also, if you don't manage to get through high school, you will never be able to get a driver's liscence, ever.
 

breakology

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ReiMeishin said:
Also, if you don't manage to get through high school, you will never be able to get a driver's liscence, ever.
that is straight up one of the top 10 best ideas I ever heard ... I knew there was a reason I wanted to get stationed at Camp Zama ...
 

DanGeo23

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Here grades of all students are posted openly, by name, for everyone to see, if you do poorly, everyone knows about it. And if you are doing better than everybody else, everybody knows it. Also, if you don't manage to get through high school, you will never be able to get a driver's liscence, ever.
I love both of those Ideas... I don't think our ACLU would ever let it pass if it were proposed...
 

voiceofreason

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DanGeo23 said:
I love both of those Ideas... I don't think our ACLU would ever let it pass if it were proposed...
Seems like you've gotten off topic.

I'm sure YOU can answer this one: How will the next 4 years work with all that cash going out, and none coming back in?
 

breakology

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voiceofreason said:
How will the next 4 years work with all that cash going out, and none coming back in?
I know you aimed that question at Dan, but I have a good answer ... plenty of cash will be going out, and plenty will be coming in, it just won't come from Iraq. Whats another 15% tax hike gonna hurt? The middle class are always good for it. With all those middle class now becoming lower class, all the more reason to enlist! Go Republicans! Yeah! :mad: