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Headlines So Kerry finally released his grades from Yale.


Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student

His 4-year average on par with Bush's

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

The grade transcript, which Kerry has always declined to release, was included in his Navy record. During the campaign the Globe sought Kerry's naval records, but he refused to waive privacy restrictions for the full file. Late last month, Kerry gave the Navy permission to send the documents to the Globe.

Kerry appeared to be responding to critics who suspected that there might be damaging information in the file about his activities in Vietnam. The military and medical records, however, appear identical to what Kerry has already released. This marks the first time Kerry's grades have been publicly reported.

The transcript shows that Kerry's freshman-year average was 71. He scored a 61 in geology, a 63 and 68 in two history classes, and a 69 in political science. His top score was a 79, in another political science course. Another of his strongest efforts, a 77, came in French class.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade. In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year. He did not fail any courses.

''I always told my Dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said yesterday in a written response to questions, noting that he has previously acknowledged that he spent a lot of time learning to fly instead of focusing on his studies.

Kerry's weak grades came despite years of education at some of the world's most elite prep schools, ranging from Fessenden School in Massachusetts to St. Paul's School in New Hampshire.

It is noteworthy, however, that Kerry received a high honor at Yale despite his mediocre grades: He was chosen to deliver his senior class oration, a testament to his reputation as a public speaker. He delivered a speech questioning the wisdom of the Vietnam War, in which he would soon see combat.

Kerry gradually improved his grades, averaging 81 in his senior year. His highest single grade was an 89, for a political science class in his senior year. Despite his slow start, he went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School, command a patrol boat in Vietnam, graduate from law school, and become a prosecutor, lieutenant governor, US senator, and presidential candidate.

In his Navy application, Kerry made clear that he spent much of his college time on extracurricular activities, including the Yale Political Union, the Debating Association, soccer, hockey, fencing, and membership in the elite Skull and Bones Society. Asked to describe nonschool training that qualified him for the Navy, Kerry wrote: ''A great deal of sailing -- ocean and otherwise, including some navigation. Scuba diving. Rifle. Beginning of life saving." He said his special interests were ''filming," writing, and politics, noting that the latter subject occupied 15 hours per week.

Gaddis Smith, a retired Yale history professor who taught both Kerry and Bush, said in a telephone interview that he vividly remembers Kerry as a student during the 1964-1965 school year, when Kerry would have been a junior. However, Smith said he doesn't have a specific memory about Bush.

Based on what Smith recalls teaching that year, Kerry scored a 71 and 79 in two of Smith's courses. When Smith was told those scores, he responded: ''Uh, oh. I thought he was good student. Those aren't very good grades." To put the grades in perspective, Smith said that he had a well-earned reputation for being tough, and noted that such grades would probably be about 10 points higher in a similar class today because of the impact of what he called ''grade inflation."

Bush went to Yale from 1964 to 1968; his highest grades were 88s in anthropology, history, and philosophy, according to The New Yorker article. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy. Bush has said he was a C student.

Like Kerry, Bush reportedly suffered through a difficult freshman year and then pulled his grades up.
Oh yeah, he's a smart one alright. :p How the fuck do you get a 61 in Geology?


Angel of Death
junglizm said:

Oh yeah, he's a smart one alright. :p How the fuck do you get a 61 in Geology?

wow thats some low rating for grades...

90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D,

I mean in high school we had, 95-100 was an A, 90-95 was a B 80-89 a C and 70-79 was a D and a F was anything below 70.

So basically he was failing if not for their extremly high grade curv.

WOW bush was kind of cute when he was younger lol


Seeker of Truth
The difference is between the two is that Kerry actually "took" the classes...

Oh wait, my mistake, it was Bush's military service that he phoned in...

I Hate The FCC

Homo est Deus
voiceofreason said:
The difference is between the two is that Kerry actually "took" the classes...

Oh wait, my mistake, it was Bush's military service that he phoned in...
He was asleep the whole time during the classes. :happysad:


Chaotic Neutral
Wow, I get better grades than the 2 men who ran for president of the US of A.

What makes them so damn special? Right, they have the right "friends"


First off Kerry is as ugly as as a mother fucker, and dumb as one too. Christ i'm a fucking stoner and I do better than him. Vote for me to president I'm smarter and better looking, and I'll legalize pot.


Was machen Sie?
gotta hand it to them though, i agree there's a lot of truth to "grade inflations" when comparing past and present grading practices. but still...there's got to be a limit, cannot pull off a "C" is really a "B' today and be believed.

on the other hand, rarely did anyone ever outright fail a class back then, they'd have to be complete morons to do so-most professors were much more lenient than they are now. so heh, never failing a class just doesn't lend much credibility.

both of these guys bought their way through college, big surprise, shocker; not!


A Rampant Vagitarian
Kerry looks an awful lot like "Jaws" from James Bond.. I wonder if they are related.
Money is the root to all evil. And education. And fame. And apparently presidency.
What a sweet little corrupted country you´ve got there.


Well, in those days Kerry must had have a busy life protesting against the war in Nam, while Bush was sniffing coke.
And it's always possible his school was bought by the clan's money.

"If you want your new department, than give that Bush fuckup some good grades! Is that understood?!"


Hella Constipated
PatticusRex said:
Yeah...Kerry was one ugly guy...looks like he got a lemon up the ass or something.
He looks REALLY JEWY. My school district is almost totally Jewish and Italian - so trust me on this.


You're my number two
Descent said:
He looks REALLY JEWY. My school district is almost totally Jewish and Italian - so trust me on this.
That describes most of long island. :rolleyes:

Some day it'll be a whole new ethnic group.

"Come to Long Island, Home of the Jewtalian." :p