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Headlines Soldiers Refuse Convoy Orders

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The Army is investigating members of a Reserve unit in Iraq who refused to deliver a fuel shipment to a town north of Baghdad under conditions they considered unsafe, the Pentagon and relatives of the soldiers said Friday. Several soldiers called it a "suicide mission," relatives said.

Up to 19 members of the 343rd Quartermaster Company were detained at gunpoint for nearly two days after disobeying orders to drive trucks that they said had not been serviced and were not being escorted by armed vehicles to Taji, about 15 miles north of Baghdad, relatives said after speaking to some of the soldiers.

"Yesterday, we refused to go on a convoy to Taji," Spc. Amber McClenny, 21, said in a message she left on the answering machine of her mother, Teresa Hill, in Dothan, Ala. "We had broken-down trucks, non-armored vehicles. We were carrying contaminated fuel."

After the soldiers were released, McClenny called her mother again and explained that the jet fuel the convoy had to carry had been contaminated with diesel and that because it had been rejected by one base, it would most likely be rejected by the Taji base they were ordered to go to.

Taji is in the volatile Sunni-dominated swath of Iraq, and Hill said her daughter felt "that if you go there, it's a 99 percent chance you will be ambushed or fired upon."

"They had not slept, the trucks had not been maintained, they were going without armed guards -- it was just a bad deal," Hill said. "And that's when whole unit said no." She said their defense is "cease action on an unsafe order."
This is a excellent example of the poor quality of leadership and planning of officers in the army. Some jackass officer no doubt planned this bullshit ass mission. Thank god that this group of soldiers, more than likely led by an experienced NCO decided to take action and refuse the mission.
When things like this happen in the military, it is a direct reflection of the commander. Rather than admit he was wrong, and that it was a poorly planned mission with unsafe vehicles and inadequate support, this commander will more than likely try to bury these soldiers with UCMJ action. I just sincerly hope that this group of soldiers sticks this out to the end and roots out the incompetence that caused the issue to begin with.
 

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I know exactly what you're saying. In my 6 yrs of prior service I've seen this type of shit happen all the time. This time though it is real world shit. I commend these guys and I hope their Co Commander get's what should be coming to him and I hope they are not UCMJ'ed at all. But I guess that is unlikely.
 

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wow , im sure happy that the media is finally showing how stupid Convoy orders can get , id do the same thing if i was in his shoes the sad thing is if the media did not get this out the army would prolly boot this guy up the ass and maybe send him to jail.
 

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I suppose thats the beauty of having presidential candidates with not too many army buddies - no matter who wins there will be no influence at the top.

Could be worse.... these guys could have taken their orders and not see another christmas
 

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what the fuck? no armed escort? In non-armed vehicules? And the mission itself -bringing contaminated fuel to another base, what the hell.. they will not USE the fuel what's the point- it just doesn't make SENSE.... what the fucking fuck.. it IS a suicide mission, ffs I'd be so pissed if someone asked me to do that...
 

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The CO resigned and was re-assigned to a duty that "fits her ability and experiance." Female CO BTW if it matters.
 

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The CO resigned and was re-assigned to a duty that "fits her ability and experiance." Female CO BTW if it matters.
which it does not, because I am pretty sure that a male CO (since there are more of them) have made more mistakes. I do agree that this is about the stupidest mistake I have ever heard of though. What a dumb bitch. Even I could do a better job.
 

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Fugly said:
The CO resigned and was re-assigned to a duty that "fits her ability and experiance." Female CO BTW if it matters.
Best news I heard all day. Although they probably did her a favor and sent her back to Camp Doha or assigned her to S-2 (Intel, typically the biggest morons in the army). The army has a bad habit of excusing incompetant officers, and nailing enlisted soldiers to the wall.
Example: My battalion commander was relieved of command because he was caught drunk, more than once. His punishment? Sent back to the states with early retirment. Two months later, an E-5 in my battalion was caught drinking, he is in prison now awaiting court martial and most likely will recieve bad conduct discharge.
 

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which it does not, because I am pretty sure that a male CO (since there are more of them) have made more mistakes. I do agree that this is about the stupidest mistake I have ever heard of though. What a dumb bitch. Even I could do a better job.

Very true, I know plenty of goof-ass, dumb fuck officers that are men.
 

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The CO resigned and was re-assigned to a duty that "fits her ability and experiance." Female CO BTW if it matters.
NO, she was relieved of duty.


http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041021/NEWS01/41021009/1002

Relieved commander did not support troops, state soldiers' kin say

By Jeremy Hudson
jehudson@clarionledger.com

The commander of an Army Reserve unit whose soldiers refused a fuel convoy order in Iraq last week has been relieved of her duties, the military confirmed this morning.

Citing privacy laws, the military will not name the commander. But relatives of the soldiers told The Clarion-Ledger the commander is Capt. Nancy Daniels of Birmingham, who they say ordered the arrests of about 18 soldiers after the platoon refused what some soldiers called a "suicide mission."

The military denies that any soldiers were ever arrested, saying only that they were held for less than 48 hours in a tented area away from their normal military barracks.

"The outgoing commander is not suspected of misconduct, and the move has nothing to do with the guilt or innocence of anyone involved," Army Lt. Col. Steven Boylan said in a news release. "The outgoing commander will be reassigned commensurate with her rank and experience."

Eighteen reservists from the Rock Hill, S.C.-based reservist company cited ill-equipped vehicles, contaminated fuel and poor leadership in refusing the convoy order last week, relatives of the soldiers said.

Five of the soldiers were reassigned to different units as the military conducts investigations into whether the soldiers violated military code of conduct laws and had inadequate vehicles, officials said.

Daniels was the commander of the 343rd Quartermaster Company stationed at the Tallil air base in Iraq, said Patricia McCook of Jackson, whose husband Sgt. Larry McCook is among those reassigned after refusing the order.

"He got a huge smile on his face when I told him the news about her being taken out," Patricia McCook said of her husband's reaction to hearing Daniels had been relieved of her duties.

Patricia McCook said her husband and other soldiers believe Daniels "just really did not care about them."

"She only went on one mission with them," Patricia McCook said her husband told her. "She told them it was not her job to go on missions. But leadership has to come from the front, not from the back."

Teresa Hill, of Dothan, Ala., mother of Spc. Amber McClenny, among those who refused the order but was not reassigned, said Daniels was a full-time unit commander with the 81st Regional Readiness Command in Birmingham.

Jackie Butler of Jackson said her husband, Sgt. Michael Butler, also among the five soldiers reassigned, "has been complaining about (Daniels) for the longest time."

Ricky Shealey of Quinton, Ala., father of Spc. Scott Shealey, 29, among the five soldiers reassigned, said he did not recall his son mentioning Daniels by name, but said he had reported problems with a female commander.

"I've been saying from the moment this thing broke in the news that this was a command issue, not a soldier issue," Ricky Shealey said.
 

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This is the kind of shit i am talking about, army officers are groomed to be "so damn perfect" they won't even admit to being wrong when it is completly obvious that they were. The only thing officers ever seemed concerend with is their career, fucking captain was probably so tunnel visioned by that "mission first" bullshit that she did'nt care that soldiers lives were in unnessessary danger. Probably the only thing on her mind was making O-4.
Of course the army will just wash the incident away, less the publics confidence be swayed in army command desicion making. One of the soldiers hit the nail on the head when he said this was a command issue and not a soldier issue, but the entire situation is going to be spun as if the soldiers were in the wrong.