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Headlines The old suicidal Goth routine.

diamond

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"France has reacted with horror as details emerged this week of the twin suicide of two teenage girls who bound their hands together and jumped from the 17th-storey window of a block of flats in Paris.

The 14-year old girls, who have been named only as Marion and Virginie, were both heavily influenced by the gothic fashion in music and clothes......

Benjamin - described how Marion and Virginie joined him and a friend in his top-floor apartment on Friday afternoon.

"They said to us: 'Wait there, we are going into the bedroom. We are going to give you a surprise.'

"Then they said: 'Come in!' And then we saw them on the window ledge. We couldn't do anything. They just jumped," he said.

A suicide note was found in one of their pockets. It read: "Life isn't worth it."


The full version can be found

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4287790.stm


Every once in a while this sort of thing pops up. There is a murder or suicide and an outcry follows on the contents of the CD collection.

Is it a valid claim that this kind of music will destroy people or as Bill Hicks once said do their deaths equal 'one less gas station attendant'?
 

I Hate The FCC

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The music may have influenced them, but if they're stupid enough to commit suicide at fourteen then I shall shed no tear. The two were probably mentally unstable anyway, it was probably just a matter of time before they offed themselves.
 

JLXC

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I think in most cases the influence of the person becomes their musical choice, and rarely the other way around. They were depressed, they listened to sad music, they killed themselves. I don't think it's the music's fault. Lots of people look at disgusting porn, but don't act on the impulses. You can see something horrific, and not act upon it. I think it's much the same thing.

2 less girls on the planet, a million born to replace them.
 

YUCK FOU!!!

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I Hate The FCC said:
The music may have influenced them, but if they're stupid enough to commit suicide at fourteen then I shall shed no tear. The two were probably mentally unstable anyway, it was probably just a matter of time before they offed themselves.
i can almost bet they werent goth, just emo, them and their simple plan cutting their wrists and feeling hardcore...... believe me, goths and emos are different things.....
 

ChilianFuckFace

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Nothing against Goths, but fuck dude they annoy me! The music sucks and the way they dress is fucking horrible!

If you are stupid enough to like that music, I guess you are stupid enough to kill yourself over some dumb shit! I don't know. :confused:

It's sad how many people commit suicide these days.
 

unit.x9

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ChilianFuckFace said:
Nothing against Goths, but fuck dude they annoy me! The music sucks and the way they dress is fucking horrible!

If you are stupid enough to like that music, I guess you are stupid enough to kill yourself over some dumb shit! I don't know. :confused:

It's sad how many people commit suicide these days.
yes the number of sucicides is appaling and some goths are "freaky" but do you know them? i mean realy know them. every one give them a bad rap without giving them a chance.

P.S metal music is superior to that of rap, r&b, country, and all others
:mfinger:
 

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unit.x9 said:
yes the number of sucicides is appaling and some goths are "freaky" but do you know them? i mean realy know them. every one give them a bad rap without giving them a chance.

P.S metal music is superior to that of rap, r&b, country, and all others
:mfinger:
My thought (like you give a shit) is that these are the same vulnerable guys who can be influenced by music, lifestyle, movies, lifestyle, Religious cults, lifestlye.

If we accept that the question remains......what the hell can we do, if anything?

Do we create a big brother state which negates the possibility of anything viewed to be 'unacceptable', or do we take a darwinian, these guys are weak attitude?
 

UberSkippy

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diamond said:
Do we create a big brother state which negates the possibility of anything viewed to be 'unacceptable', or do we take a darwinian, these guys are weak attitude?
All goth's are just posers anyway.

I vote Darwin.
 

Descent

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unit.x9 said:
yes the number of sucicides is appaling and some goths are "freaky" but do you know them? i mean realy know them. every one give them a bad rap without giving them a chance.

P.S metal music is superior to that of rap, r&b, country, and all others
:mfinger:
Word. My girlfriend is goth, not face painting goth...You know, dark clothing and metal music style.

She doesn't look like a member of KISS or anything, she hates that shit and I do too.

Here's a heads up on my gothic friends:

They are some of the nicest, funniest, and most compassionate people you will ever meet.

They are actually pretty upbeat. Open minded sons of bitches I love 'em all.

I don't get what the anti-goth movement is all about.

Do we really judge people by the way they look so much? I mean, Christ, I say "wow that chick is hot" but I don't even think of "what she may be like" until I get to know her.

And another tidbit: Enough heavy metal bashing. Slipknot and Korn have harmed that genre in immeasurable ways.

"Oh, metal is all screaming, it such CRAP, blah blah blah..."

Listen guys. Shut the fuck up. The majority of quality heavy metal is not screaming grunge metal bullshit, it's highly understandable. The small amount of quality grunge metal such as Violent Work of Art use the vocals as more of an instrument.

In fact, I'd suffice to say Violent Work of Art is much more like a more modernized version of opera.

And while I'm at it, the goal of Doom is to save the planet from demons, not "summon Satan and kill shit" as Congress has to say.

If I am ever called in front of Congress to testify about "Isotope Studio's deplorable games" I will proceed to give them the ass chewing of their lives over C-SPAN. I will be able to negate everything they say, and they will look like a pack of fucking fools in front of millions of Americans.

Don't forget, Night Trap for the Sega CD, which was a hot topic (LOL Hot Topic) in the 1993 hearings was described by Congress as a "game where you kill women." The fact that it was a full-motion video "TruVideo" game helped this fact.

Except for the fact that in game, you plant traps to save the women from murderers and rapists, not kill them.

That douchebag Lieberman played it for at most five minutes before talking trash. Never a good idea in front of a guy like me...If he does that again, he'll fall flat on his ass. I'll walk right into the room with a Sega CD-X, a 486 computer, and a bunch of other hardware so "the games aren't fixed" ( :rolleyes: ) and set the record straight that the American government has to stop legislating taste or else.
 

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YUCK FOU!!! said:
i can almost bet they werent goth, just emo, them and their simple plan cutting their wrists and feeling hardcore...... believe me, goths and emos are different things.....

This is true, all the emo scene kids cut themselfs as it is the new cool rad thing to do and show off to all their freinds and the shitty local bands they go to and show them and get like a free shirt or soemthing, trust me these kids just do it for the attention or because its cool, and they probolly were just emo thinking their life is gone cause like they lost their good chorolate cd.

Edit: In the full article they said that they were constantly teased because of their clothing, maybe thats why...i would say dress differnt if it causes you deppresion, and people can be assholes these days if your not with the cool new fashions.
 
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i don't get this emo thing

if emo stands for emotional, why do kids wear black clothes eyeliner etc? all trying to look depressed?

the generic costume help them be more emo and depressed?
 

POInPR!

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ChilianFuckFace said:
Nothing against Goths, but fuck dude they annoy me! The music sucks and the way they dress is fucking horrible!
At least you have nothing against goth's

if every one liked the same type of music there would be nothing but muzak on the radio "cause for some ungodly reason that's all you fucking hear in every fuckin mall!" and for christ sakes...every music genre has had it's fashion victims, if not , rappers would still probably be wearing hammer pants and raiders logos...

but yet I reiterate... you have nothing against goth's:flamed:

ChilianFuckFace said:
If you are stupid enough to like that music, I guess you are stupid enough to kill yourself over some dumb shit! I don't know. :confused:
People are killing themselves and others over dumb shit every day; shoes, skin, race, even fucking colors...

Why not music? It beats killing yourself to avoid a beating just cause the only clean shirt you got is your dad's blue one and you just so happen to live in a part of town that's predominantly red...

what was the point of this?
 
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I really don't think it was the music, I'm a normal guy that dress in Hollister clothes, and Slipknot is my favorite band, and I never felt like killing myself. Thats sterotycpical, they just killed themselves to make people think they are gothic, not there music, just and old sterotype.
 

Descent

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Φ δlipknσt Φ said:
I really don't think it was the music, I'm a normal guy that dress in Hollister clothes, and Slipknot is my favorite band, and I never felt like killing myself. Thats sterotycpical, they just killed themselves to make people think they are gothic, not there music, just and old sterotype.
:rotflmao:

Sorry for being a troll, but are you around Junglizm?

Everyone knows it wasn't the music, damn well if my favorite bandw ere slipknot I'd kill myself :lol:.
 

Nailbomb

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Descent said:
Sorry for being a troll, but are you around Junglizm?
If any of the mods were around, your previous post would have probably been reduced to two lines.
 

Hater808

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Of course it's not the music. Poeple pick the music the music doesn't pick them. If people are upset and want to kill themselves, they will pick the music that suits them. Speaking of doom did you see the movie preview
http://www.apple.com/trailers/universal/doom/ made me laugh a bit. Well that's a big slap in the face to the government who thought it was making kids kill people, here lets make a movie, a 7 dollar version with no system requirements, now everyone can see it. (that's a huge run on sentance)
 
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Have you ever moshed with a goth cick? The fucking fishnets give you the equivalent of carpet burns.
The goth 'movement' isn't really the problem here, as FCC said, these two were dumbasses. At 14, you have your whole life ahead of you. To throw that all away is some dumb shit.
Life IS worth it.
 

Descent

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Have you ever moshed with a goth cick? The fucking fishnets give you the equivalent of carpet burns.
The goth 'movement' isn't really the problem here, as FCC said, these two were dumbasses. At 14, you have your whole life ahead of you. To throw that all away is some dumb shit.
Life IS worth it.
Word...:D.

You're 14. 96 years away from the grave.