WTF ... IS WTF!?
We are a collective of people who believe in freedom of speech, the rights of individuals, and free pancakes! We share our lives, struggles, frustrations, successes, joys, and prescribe to our own special brand of humor and insanity. If you are looking for a great place to hang out, make new friends, find new nemeses, and just be yourself, WTF.com is your new home.

We are never truly free

11,054
398
382
#1
Today, I was doing somethinking... it might sound depressing, but it's true.

As the name of the thread implies, we are never truly free. In fact, we have at most 15 years of freedom during out lives.

You're born, don't remember the first year of your life, so that one doesn't count. At 5 or 6, you start going to school and for the next 12ish years, you're tied down with homework and other forms of school work. You sit in the classroom for 6 hours a day, rain or shine, and when you get home, it's 2 hours of homework (if you decide to actually do it :) )

You finish grade 12, and it's off to either college or work. Yay. College is the same deal as school. Constant schoolwork before you start a career.

With work, it's work 8-12 hours a day (depending on the job.) Every day except saturday and Sunday (if you're lucky.) Until you're 60 or 65 when you retire. Live the next 5-10 years of your life doing absolutely nothing, and then you die.

It's kinda depressing.
 

bnccoder

Postaholic
2,479
0
36
#3
You can always take the time to party for 2 weeks strait. Ignore the laws and do whatever you want. I found at that point you are truly free. It was an experiance I wouldn't trade for anything.
 

gurlgonewild

Was machen Sie?
1,086
0
0
#4
to me, its a state of mind instead of life's drudgeries. if you don't like the path set out for you, but you don't have a plan of what you really want and how you're going to get it, might as well make the most what you have. no?
 

Jung

???
Premium
13,993
1,401
487
#5
I don't agree; although I might have bills, a job and responsibilities, I'm definitely free. I have free will and I'm free to choose not to do any of those things at any time. Being an adult means you resist that urge to shirk your responsibilities. It doesn't mean losing your freedom though.
 

BklynCannonball

pffffffffffttttttttttt...
3,452
0
0
#6
The trick is to figure out how to live and work outside of that system. It takes a while but it is attainable. You figure out your own path.
 

Rurrouni

Shinsengumi
329
0
0
#7
Well im still in school and have homework and what not but with me If I dont want to do it I just dont, I live my life the way I want. My parents really dont tie me down that much because they realize im a good kid, well most of the time, so I find that I live my life pretty freely. Even though forced to go to school I usually use those hours for sleep, Portable Gaming, and hanging out with friends.
 

gehtfuct

HuGE
Staff
9,301
744
387
#8
Think for yourself
Question authority

Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening,
terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in
this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities, the political, the
religious, the educational authorities who attempted to comfort us by
giving us order, rules, regulations, informing, forming in our minds their
view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and
learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable, open-mindedness;
chaotic, confused, vulnerability to inform yourself.

Think for yourself.
Question authority.

Timothy Leary ~​
 

Jung

???
Premium
13,993
1,401
487
#9
Did you just quote Tim Leary in a serious thread? Hahahaha. Oh. :(
 
11,054
398
382
#10
I always question, though I never act.

I guess my problem is I don't know how to stand up for myself.

All my life I've been pushed around... I gave in. I've been told what to do... I did it. And I still do.
 

gehtfuct

HuGE
Staff
9,301
744
387
#11
Unforgiven said:
I always question, though I never act.

I guess my problem is I don't know how to stand up for myself.

All my life I've been pushed around... I gave in. I've been told what to do... I did it. And I still do.
It's called the trials of life,kiddo. We all go through it. The only time you're really free is if you're riding bitch on the back of a Harley with no fixed address. It gehts tougher. It's meant to be. If it doesn't that usualy means that your next dance will soon be in prison....with Max.

It's not all about standing up for yourself. Sometimes the best course of action is doing nothing. Just sit back and take it...sometimes that's how you learn. What you learn of it is on you. That knowledge usualy comes in handy later....in prison. :D
 
10,772
55
253
#12
gehtfuct said:
Think for yourself
Question authority

Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening,
terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in
this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities, the political, the
religious, the educational authorities who attempted to comfort us by
giving us order, rules, regulations, informing, forming in our minds their
view of reality. To think for yourself you must question authority and
learn how to put yourself in a state of vulnerable, open-mindedness;
chaotic, confused, vulnerability to inform yourself.

Think for yourself.
Question authority.

Timothy Leary ~​
Dreaming of that face again.
It's bright and blue and shimmering.
Grinning wide
And comforting me with it's three warm and wild eyes.

On my back and tumbling
Down that hole and back again
Rising up
And wiping the webs and the dew from my withered eye.

In... Out... In... Out... In... Out...

A child's rhyme stuck in my head.
It said that life is but a dream.
I've spent so many years in question
to find I've known this all along.

"So good to see you.
I've missed you so much.
So glad it's over.
I've missed you so much
Came out to watch you play.
Why are you running?"

Shroud-ing all the ground around me
Is this holy crow above me.
Black as holes within a memory
And blue as our new second sun.
I stick my hand into his shadow
To pull the pieces from the sand.
Which I attempt to reassemble
To see just who I might have been.
I do not recognize the vessel,
But the eyes seem so familiar.
Like phosphorescent desert buttons
Singing one familiar song...

"So good to see you.
I've missed you so much.
So glad it's over.
I've missed you so much.
Came out to watch you play.
Why are you running away?"

Prying open my third eye.
So good to see you once again.
I thought that you were hiding.
And you thought that I had run away.
Chasing the tail of dogma.
I opened my eye and there we were.

So good to see you once again
I thought that you were hiding from me.
And you thought that I had run away.
Chasing a trail of smoke and reason.

Prying open my third eye.​

:thumbsup:
 

billdough

Flame Bait
5
0
0
#14
a friend

My Iranian friend told me that the "Freedom of speech" is a lie. at school, i said "oh shift" exact words. very clearly spoken. got FU*KIN dentention.
 
4,149
1
0
#15
billdough said:
My Iranian friend told me that the "Freedom of speech" is a lie. at school, i said "oh shift" exact words. very clearly spoken. got FU*KIN dentention.
It is a lie. It's not really something the government can give you anyway. As long as people are judgemental there will never be freedom of speech. If you speak out against something people in support of the subject jump down your throat and persecute you for saying something against it. If you speak against the government you're thought to be a terrorist. If you say you're an atheist Christains tell you you're going to Hell and try to force you to convert. Freedom is a personal mindset. If you believe you are free then you are. Reality is what we make of it.
 
11,054
398
382
#16
My mother went to a seminar a few months back... they had a guy give a speech about homosexuality. Basically, what he said, was he didn't agree with it.

He was a teacher, lost his job, and was taken to court.
 
4,149
1
0
#17
Unforgiven said:
My mother went to a seminar a few months back... they had a guy give a speech about homosexuality. Basically, what he said, was he didn't agree with it.

He was a teacher, lost his job, and was taken to court.
My point exactly.
 

Jung

???
Premium
13,993
1,401
487
#18
Unforgiven said:
My mother went to a seminar a few months back... they had a guy give a speech about homosexuality. Basically, what he said, was he didn't agree with it.

He was a teacher, lost his job, and was taken to court.
So basically he lost his job for admitting his discrimination. I'd expect the same thing if the guy had said he didn't agree with black people.
tiger_86 said:
My point exactly.
What point is that? The guy was free to do and say whatever he wanted to. He exercised that freedom and admitted that he was prejudice. His employer was then free to fire him based on his actions. Freedom doesn't mean that everyone says "hey that's fucked up, but since you're free you can do whatever you want." People are free to say and do whatever they want, but their actions and words have consequences.

I guess some people just can't grasp the concept of freedom though.
 
11,054
398
382
#19
There's a difference between saying "I don't agree with homosexuality." and "All homosexuals are going to hell."

He got fired for expressing a personal opinion.
 

Jung

???
Premium
13,993
1,401
487
#20
Unforgiven said:
There's a difference between saying "I don't agree with homosexuality." and "All homosexuals are going to hell."

He got fired for expressing a personal opinion.
Didn't he do it on company time though? I'm sure the company was only protecting their own interests; who wants an employee that could be labeled a bigot? I would have fired him too...

Also, saying "I don't agree with black people" would definitely come off as racist, there would be no need to say "all blacks are going to hell" because it sends the same message. So how is it different because he was talking about homosexuals?

I think it's retarded that people don't associate anti-homosexuals with bigotry like they would racists. Both groups are being descriminated against for something they didn't choose and can't change.