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Weed Culture??!?!

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Fideru said:
Well, I've seen about 3 people waste their lives going downwards into a spiral of drugs and I'm only fifteen in my second year of high school. 3 is 3 too many.
I'm not challenging your opinion that drugs are bad, I'm just pointing out that your "reasoning" seems flawed, possibly flat out incorrect. At fifteen I don't think you're old enough to see the whole picture though, and any 15 year old is way too young to have ruined their lives. But I'm pretty sure none of those people "ruined their lives" because of marijuana - a non-addictive drug.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion, I'm just saying you might want to be more educated on a topic before you make comments about it.
 

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Considering all the illegal drugs there are out there, i really don't think that weed is bad at all. It's a class C drug in Canada, and it would'nt suprise me if someday it became legal.

Marijuana isn't addictive, and (once again considering other drugs out there) it isnt all that expensive.

The only ppl who I know that smoke weed every day smoke it with tobacco mixed in - and they say they're just hooked to the tobacco, not the weed.

Too much of anything isnt good... like said by others, verything in moderation :)
 

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I smoke every day but I'm still able to keep up with my peers. Moderation in moderation is my motto.:D
 

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junglizm said:
But I'm pretty sure none of those people "ruined their lives" because of marijuana - a non-addictive drug.
They "ruined their lives" by skipping school to smoke the drug, wasting away in one apartment until they all got evicted because they couldn't pay for it, no job would accept them and thus realised that they have no chance at life they commited suicide. :/ Is that not ruined life?
 

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Weed doesn't create any chemical addictions. But, it depends on what your definition of addicited is. Masterbation isn't addictive but people like the feeling or made a habit out of it., get addicted. As soon as its a habit it's addictive in its own right. But, of couse it's a hell of alot easier to stop a habit than to stop an addiction. So, I don't think weed is bad, in fact it's much better than alot of the other drugs.
 

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Fideru said:
They "ruined their lives" by skipping school to smoke the drug, wasting away in one apartment until they all got evicted because they couldn't pay for it, no job would accept them and thus realised that they have no chance at life they commited suicide. :/ Is that not ruined life?
I sorry to hear about them, but don't entirly blame a drug for ruining someone's life. There are drugs around everyone, it only gets people who allow themselevs to be fucked(for lack of a better term) So thier ignorance was more there downfall then the drug. It's the same music movie made me commit suicide arugment. If your smart enough you know whats going on. You have a handle on what your doing, you have th strength of mind to avoid things taking control.

Edit: sorry for the doublr post I thought someone responed in the middle.
 

Jung

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Fideru said:
They "ruined their lives" by skipping school to smoke the drug, wasting away in one apartment until they all got evicted because they couldn't pay for it, no job would accept them and thus realised that they have no chance at life they commited suicide. :/ Is that not ruined life?
You do realize that all of that happened, not because of a drug, but because they were irresponsible people, right? A non-addictive drug didn't cause them to do that... You're placing the blame on the drug, when it belongs on the people. If that ignorant oversimplification is fine with you, they hey, never bother learning about these drugs you claim to understand. (but don't) It's much easier to say "oh, he was a good kid, he just got messed up in drugs" than it is to realize the truth and say "well, he was a good kid, but he wasn't responsible enough to handle his own life, and ended up being foolish enough to commit suicide because of his (fixable) mistakes." Nobody wants to hear or admit that their friend/significant other/child was wrong... but they're quick to make outlandish claims that some non-addictive, non-lethal drug killed them.

I've been smoking weed on and off for a little over 10 years. In that time I've graduated both high school and college, and held many professional jobs, including a 5 year enlistment in the US Army. Marijuana has never gotten in the way of my life or responsibilities, and when I couldn't smoke I didn't. Moderation and self respect/will power isn't something everyone has. But you can't blame a drug for people's short comings; they could've done the same thing with alcohol, which is completely legal, addictive and exponentially more deadly than marijuana.

All I'm saying is, if you don't understand the effects of a drug, and you obviously don't, then don't make false comments about it.

By the way, I'm sorry to hear about your friends, and sorry if I came off as being crass.
 

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Fideru said:
They "ruined their lives" by skipping school to smoke the drug, wasting away in one apartment until they all got evicted because they couldn't pay for it, no job would accept them and thus realised that they have no chance at life they commited suicide. :/ Is that not ruined life?
Someone always has to take it to the extremes.

Let me try that with alcohol: You get really drunk and you pick a fight with a guy. He gets all his mates who end up putting you in hospital. You spend the rest of your life drinking, eating, and shitting through straws. Dont drink booze! :O
 

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As a matter of fact "weed culture" does appear to suck overwhelmingly.Some want the whole fucking world to understand that they are smoking weed, big deal assholes.Anyone can smoke weed, what the fuck are you demonstrating by wearing a marijuana t-shirt?That pisses me off, and also people acting as if they are stoned all the time.That, however, disappears with age, if not then you are dealing with a retard.Personally I smoke weed, but I don't make a big deal out of it.

Oh and btw weed can trigger schizofrenia, so make sure you have a health insurance, because at your 40th birthday you may recieve an unexpected present.
 

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Here in Alabama, well, some parts now, marijuana is a minor offence, constituting only a citation or minor ticket. This is due mainly to overcrowding in our prisons. In the town I lived in, Columbiana, they were releasing violent criminals to make more room for minor drug offences. Well, this created a whole hoopla, so they reevaluated their policy, and are now basically decriminalizing small amounts of pot to leave room for the meth heads, another drug that is making a huge impact down here. Yay. I dont have to fear for my life every time I go pick up a quarter sack.
 

Jung

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Pandur said:
Oh and btw weed can trigger schizofrenia, so make sure you have a health insurance, because at your 40th birthday you may recieve an unexpected present.
That is incorrect. Heavy marijuana use can create short term schizophrenia-like symptoms, but it does not cause schizophrenia itself. That study was also inconclusive.
New research suggests that delta-9-THC, the principal active ingredient in marijuana, can cause transient schizophrenia-like symptoms, such as suspiciousness, delusions, and impairments in memory and attention.

The study, led by D. Cyril D'Souza, M.D., associate professor of psychiatry at Yale School of Medicine, set out to explore a long-known association between cannabis and psychosis.

"Just as studies with amphetamines and ketamine advanced the notion that brain systems utilizing the chemical messengers dopamine and NMDA receptors may be involved in the pathophysiology in schizophrenia, this study provides some tantalizing support for the hypotheses that the brain-receptor system that cannabis acts on may be involved in the pathophysiology of schizophrenia," said D'Souza. "Clearly, further work is needed to test this hypothesis."

For the study, researchers administered varying doses of delta-9-THC to participants who were screened for any vulnerability to schizophrenia. Some participants showed signs of schizophrenia that lasted about a half hour to one hour after being given THC. Symptoms included suspiciousness, unusual thoughts, paranoia, thought disorder, blunted affect, reduced spontaneity, reduced interaction with the interviewer, and problems with memory and attention.

The study was published June 2 on the website of the journal Neuropsychopharmacology.
 

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This study is focusing on short-term schizophrenia, which is stupid.What I'm saying is that it can cause schizophrenia at a later stage.It may take 20-30 years, I don't know, but latest medical studies carried out before the release of Abilify (the latest schizophrenia control drug), showed that this is possible and happening already.Furthermore it doesn't matter if you smoke tons of weed, or you've just smoked once in your lifetime, the risks are the same.

http://www.schizophrenia.com/sznews/archives/001660.html
 

Jung

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That article mentions nothing about long term effects. It also seems very inconclusive and limited in scope.
The authors hypothesise that the effect may have been because the THC had been ingested, rather than inhaled; digesting THC may produce potent THC metabolites, which induce psychotic effects.
Here's a surprise: most people smoke marijuana!

Like I said, there has been no conclusive evidence of long term effects or actual clinical psychosis stemming from marijuana use. It's all theory right now, and inconclusive ones at that.



By the way, do you have something against placing spaces between your sentences?
 

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jamesp said:
Here in Alabama, well, some parts now, marijuana is a minor offence, constituting only a citation or minor ticket. This is due mainly to overcrowding in our prisons. In the town I lived in, Columbiana, they were releasing violent criminals to make more room for minor drug offences. Well, this created a whole hoopla, so they reevaluated their policy, and are now basically decriminalizing small amounts of pot to leave room for the meth heads, another drug that is making a huge impact down here. Yay. I dont have to fear for my life every time I go pick up a quarter sack.
You can spend a lifetime in prison for 1-2 grams of weed, last time I smoked with a friend, we got chased by a cop and we ran like hell.

junglizm, personally I think there is a real risk, but I don't care much about it.After all in 20 years all sorts of things can happen, I can even be dead, who cares.
 

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I seriously doubt that marijuana can have long term adverse effect such as schizophrenia. Not only do I personally know dozens of people that have smoked pot since the sixtees, but the logic is obviously flawed. For all we know those people had a genetic defect that led to schizophrenia. That is the problem with a hypothesis such as this, it is literally impossible to have a perfect control. I don't know to any certainty, but in my opinion this is a seemingly DEA sponsored study with little to no merit.
 

Jung

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junglizm, personally I think there is a real risk, but I don't care much about it.After all in 20 years all sorts of things can happen, I can even be dead, who cares.
I won't argue that there is a risk involved with smoking marijuana; smoking anything is obviously bad on our respiratory systems. However, I don't think we can accurately state that marijuana causes clinical psychosis just yet. Maybe it does, but that's yet to be seen. Keep in mind that past studies have indicated that marijuana use actually reduces the risk of mental illness. Maybe they're wrong, but maybe not.

Personally, I don't care up until the point that it's widely known to cause such illnesses. I already smoke tobacco and we all have to die of something, right? I might as well enjoy the time I have here.
but in my opinion this is a seemingly DEA sponsored study with little to no merit.
I doubt that, although I do think these results seem skewed. I don't know enough about these diseases, or their stimuli, to accurately say though. I do know this though, the effects of ingesting marijuana are a whole lot different from those of inhalation.