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As all of us do, we watch TV and when the news comes on and we hear of some catastrophic story about some building blown up or mass shootings, the reporters are quick to assume its a terrorist. But the real question is, what is a terrorist?

After everyone found out that it was some lonely white boy with personal problems that killed all of them little kids at Sandy Hook, no one called him a terrorist. Same thing with the theater shooting when that physco dressed up like the joker and killed all of them people. None of them was labeled as a terrorist but when two Chechen Muslims blow up the Boston Marathon they are automatically labeled as terrorist and what the two did was a terrorist attack.

So to get to my point, The dysfunctional white guys were labeled as people with psychological problems and the Chechens were labeled as terrorist. All of them live in America but one race is considered to be a major threat to America. In that case than we all are. I'm pretty sure we can do the same thing as the two brothers, but if we did it it wouldn't be a terrorist attack, unless they found out we was Muslim.

What in the world is wrong with America?
 

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First, it's already implied terrorist activity, the public isn't *that* stupid. It's been drummed into the press years and criteria aren't terribly mind-boggling. Second, I'm sure the terrorist reference was alluded to in a couple of sources at any rate. But, barring that, it's not exactly apples to apples to begin with. You're comparing some personally invested native small town whackjob who snapped and stole his mom's rifle, basically, to a Russian immigrant pair of brothers only here a couple of years-heh, sorry, no sale.

They certainly called Timothy McVeigh a terrorist and he's not in that camp by himself. You can read too much into news by sampling too little, kind of a narrow view, naturally.

*Why in the world wouldn't the scope you're talking about--blowing up buildings, mass killings--already imply terrorist activity, regardless of color? Color has nothing to do with it.
 

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As all of us do, we watch TV and when the news comes on and we hear of some catastrophic story about some building blown up or mass shootings, the reporters are quick to assume its a terrorist. But the real question is, what is a terrorist?

After everyone found out that it was some lonely white boy with personal problems that killed all of them little kids at Sandy Hook, no one called him a terrorist. Same thing with the theater shooting when that physco dressed up like the joker and killed all of them people. None of them was labeled as a terrorist but when two Chechen Muslims blow up the Boston Marathon they are automatically labeled as terrorist and what the two did was a terrorist attack.

So to get to my point, The dysfunctional white guys were labeled as people with psychological problems and the Chechens were labeled as terrorist. All of them live in America but one race is considered to be a major threat to America. In that case than we all are. I'm pretty sure we can do the same thing as the two brothers, but if we did it it wouldn't be a terrorist attack, unless they found out we was Muslim.

What in the world is wrong with America?
Nah brotha... you got it all wrong. The definition of terrorism is relative to the motive. When Muslims blow something up for ideology thats terrorism. When sick white dudes or sick black dudes shoot up a bunch of people for no damned reason... that shit is crazy.

The point is that, a terrorist is not necessarily sick in the head, he merely plans. Our founding fathers could be considered terrorists to England. White folks were certainly considered terrorists in the slave trade to black people I'm sure. Its all about the mindset of the person doing the act.

If a person knows right and wrong and does something for love, or hate or religion and politics.... money... he is a terrorist no matter what country he came from or what color his skin is and who he prays to. Its not racist.... its sick mind vs sound mind with ideological motive.
 

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The point I'm trying to get across is that as soon as something like this happens in America everyone automatically assumes that it was a terrorist attack and Muslims are known for that. They always want to blame radical Islam and all that other crazy stuff. Other religions have done far more worse things.
 

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I'd say it's any person who commits a crime against another in order to assert dominance over, or instill fear into, the victim. Also, if you are blowing yourself up to kill or injure other people, you might be a terrorist. /Foxworthy
 

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The point I'm trying to get across is that as soon as something like this happens in America everyone automatically assumes that it was a terrorist attack and Muslims are known for that. They always want to blame radical Islam and all that other crazy stuff. Other religions have done far more worse things.
I guess that's because we know we're a scumbag country. I think we realize that to some degree we deserve it. I guess thats all the apathy for you.
 

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The point I'm trying to get across is that as soon as something like this happens in America everyone automatically assumes that it was a terrorist attack and Muslims are known for that. They always want to blame radical Islam and all that other crazy stuff. Other religions have done far more worse things.
You are selecting evidence to support a predisposed conclusion instead of drawing a conclusion based on all the evidence. You allow your own bigotry to taint your perception.
 
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I'd say it's any person who commits a crime against another in order to assert dominance over, or instill fear into, the victim. Also, if you are blowing yourself up to kill or injure other people, you might be a terrorist. /Foxworthy
:yeahthat:...One hundred fucking percent! That's the definition, literally.

Every single one of us has committed an act of terrorism, even if it is a tiny one. Ever gone after an ant hill with a magnifying glass as a child? How about stomping on the nest just to see the little bastards run all over each other, or pouring poison onto or into it? That last part, to the ants, is the equivalent of someone carpet-bombing a crowded city full of constantly hungry people with crates filled with food that's been soaked in biochemical agents. Here's a good one: pulling the wings off of a fly when you were a kid, or ripping a spider's home into shreds in an effort to clean your attic, basement or cellar. Even shoo-ing a critter away from your doorstep is, to the animal at least, being a terrorist because you're scaring the piss out of it to try to keep it from coming back.

Now that I'm done with my rant on perspective, allow me to get to the point of why I responded to this thread to begin with...The news isn't interested in the race of the individual (Well, perhaps a little bit, I don't pay that close attention). What they are interested in is saying or doing anything that will get them more viewers so they can get better ratings, just like any other television program. There is a tiny nugget of truth under the bullshit, though. No matter the race or creed of the individual, what these bastards did and others like them do is horrible, no getting around that.

If you want to yell out something about racism and religious persecution, consider this before you do: the only reason people hear more about Muslims than they do about other religions is because Muslims are one of the most, if not the most, violent of the religious folk, and have been raised to be such from the very moment they were big enough to hold a gun without falling over while holding it steady enough to fire off a round (if they were born with a penis, anyway). It's even in the Qu'ran, in big bold squiggly fucking writing: "Kill the infidel". Guess what? The USA, as a primarily Christian country are, to them, a giant goddamn nexus of the infidels that they have been raised to despise and destroy...What barbarians are we to allow anyone to worship who they please however they want (as long as it doesn't break any laws or hurt anyone), and to allow our women to speak freely, walk out of the house without a male escort, and to wear anything they please, even if it doesn't involve a fucking veil! :yikes:

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TL;DR version - The media isn't really trying to be racist or just picking on one particular religion...It just so happens that the Muslims are the ones sending out the most people to try to destroy us at the moment. Those white bastards, however, did what they did of their own accord and really didn't blow anything up...they also were proven to have just snapped and had not spent weeks (if not months, or even years) preparing for the one day when they'll just blow everyone to Hell that they come across.
 

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Every single one of us has committed an act of terrorism, even if it is a tiny one. Ever gone after an ant hill with a magnifying glass as a child? How about stomping on the nest just to see the little bastards run all over each other, or pouring poison onto or into it? That last part, to the ants, is the equivalent of someone carpet-bombing a crowded city full of constantly hungry people with crates filled with food that's been soaked in biochemical agents. Here's a good one: pulling the wings off of a fly when you were a kid, or ripping a spider's home into shreds in an effort to clean your attic, basement or cellar. Even shoo-ing a critter away from your doorstep is, to the animal at least, being a terrorist because you're scaring the piss out of it to try to keep it from coming back.
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Terrorism is use of destructive force to make some kind of political or ideological message. That last part is important. So, unless you're trying to topple the spider regime by breaking that web, or smashing that ant hill to prove they chose the wrong god, it's not terrorism.


The reason the media tends to lean towards terrorism when attacks like these happen is because the majority of bombings in crowded areas and whatnot fall into that category more often than they are random acts of violence.
 
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Who's to say that spiders AREN'T plotting to destroy mankind, though? You never know...:cautious: Seriously though, my bad on that one...I think my brain took a serious dump with that, apparently. But thanks for putting what I was trying to say on the second part into a better nutshell.
 

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You are selecting evidence to support a predisposed conclusion instead of drawing a conclusion based on all the evidence. You allow your own bigotry to taint your perception.
So you mean to tell me that when some building blows up the news doesn't already assume its a terrorist attack?

When something like that happens reporters are quick to say "No word on whether it was a terrorist attack". Why must they assume that it was? Thats what the news does all the time. I know I cannot be the only one hearing this.
 

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So you mean to tell me that when some building blows up the news doesn't already assume its a terrorist attack?

When something like that happens reporters are quick to say "No word on whether it was a terrorist attack". Why must they assume that it was? Thats what the news does all the time. I know I cannot be the only one hearing this.
I'm just curious why you think it's incorrect to assume terrorist attack or bombing when some building blows up. I mean, there is no such thing as a routine building explosion. I don't think they are volatile structures until you start adding bombs and termite and stuff.

It appears you associate the words "terrorist attack" with "Holy fuck! The Muslims are at it again". That's your perception. When I think domestic terrorism, which was the assumption from jump street with the Boston thing, I don't think about arabs.

How the fuck are you going to go on about Muslims being treated unfairly? The guy is a Muslim, in fact, and the government is acting as though this is insignificant.

Look, before being all PC maybe you should ask yourself, "Do Muslims do bombings?". Now, why the fuck is it so bad for people to associate Muslim extremists with bombings? They fucking do it, just like blacks sag their pants and Mexicans like taco meat. Get the fuck over it.
 

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Which part of "No word on whether it was a terrorist attack" is tripping you up? Seems a pretty noncommital, plainspoken disclaimer to any assumptions.

Yeah, it's so fucked up when people imagine it's terrorists just because some guy bombs a whole bunch of people at a highly publicized, historically reknowned event that draws masses from everywhere.:p


http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_new...marathon-bombers-followed-al-qaeda-plans?lite

http://www.kgw.com/news/Police-believe-Boston-bombers-part-of--204265481.html
 
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If one isn't arbitrary enough for you, consider the possibility I had used different nouns - like a dozen eggs and a telephone. My initial choice of pyro does not seem so pathetic now, does it?
Fire ants and termites aren't the same thing.
 

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[quote="It appears you associate the words "terrorist attack" with "Holy fuck! The Muslims are at it again".

My perception? That's white Americas perception. I'm basically trying to point out this form of racism that lives on today but nope, the shit just flew over everyone's heads. If you would listen to the news, reporters just keep going on and on about radical Islam, but that's not until they sit around and hope Muslims did it which they do. That's what the hell I'm trying to bring up, any type of fucking attack here on America is a Muslims fault.