Pachyderm said:I'd say there is not enough information here. What have you done with this person so far? Maybe you should talk to her before you ask us. Girls are not as complicated as everyone thinks. Maybe if you ask her if they're dates she'll say yes or no, or that she wants to or doesn't. I'd say what constitutes a date is getting to another, more intimate level than the rest of your friends. I wouldn't say there needs to be kissing, or holding hands involved. Just the fact that you would like to get to know each other better. My suggestion (like always) is to talk to her about how you feel and how she feels. It's a lot easier than guessing, and a lot less painstaking.
When she drops your pants for you. End of story, moving along now.swizeguy said:hey guys i just wanted all your opinions on when it is actually a date and not just 2 friends going somewhere... What would be the desiding factor in your mind?