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Microsoft has a plan to keep installation sizes down on Xbox Series X
For the first time, the upcoming generation of consoles will be embracing solid state storage. Both Microsoft and Sony will have built-in SSDs — 1TB for the Xbox Series X and 825GB for the PS5 — and the advantages are obvious. Solid state drives are quicker, meaning games will load and perform far, far faster than before.

But the elephant in the room is drive capacity. While the current generation can just about get away with 500GB to 1TB, the move to 4K gaming will make install sizes larger. And while current gamers can just plug in a cheap external HDD, those planning to do the same with supported SSDs are in for a rude awakening when they see the prices they currently go for.

Fortunately, Microsoft has a trick up its sleeve in order to keep install footprints down,
“Even beyond the hardware, we’ve actually made user interface improvements to make it easier for you to manage your storage,” Xbox’s director of program management Jason Ronald said on a podcast chat with Microsoft teammate Larry ‘Major Nelson’ Hryb. “As an example, one of the new features that we’re adding is actually for — if a title chooses to support it — the ability to selectively uninstall different components of the game.

“So, let’s say you play a campaign as an example, and then you want to focus exclusively on multiplayer. If the developers chose to support it you can actually uninstall the campaign itself so that you can be more in control of how you’re actually using your storage, so that you really get the most benefit out of the available storage that you have.”

It sounds pretty similar to Sony’s plans with the PlayStation 5, which is just as well, because triple-A titles are getting larger and larger install footprints. We’ve already heard that launch title Spider-Man: Miles Morales Ultimate Launch Edition will weigh in at 105GB, and even current generation games are ballooning in size.

Our sister site, GamesRadar, has a running list of the worst offenders on PS4. and an installation of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (175GB), Destiny 2 (165GB), Red Dead Redemption 2 (105GB), The Elder Scrolls Online (86GB) and Battlefield 4 (71GB) would wipe out 73% of the PS5’s storage.

And that’s not even accounting for system files. We now know that the Xbox Series X operating system will take up nearly 20% of the 1TB available, and you would imagine Sony has similar bad news coming down the tracks. Given that expansion options for both consoles are currently on the expensive side, here’s hoping that selective installation is something that’s widely adopted by developers.
 
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I wish game consoles came out with larger SSDs, but being able to partially install games is nice. No reason for any OS to be 200 GB.
 
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Around 50 to 60 GB of that is likely reserved for Quick Resume functionality, so you can instantly jump into at least the last 4 games you ran.
 
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Around 50 to 60 GB of that is likely reserved for Quick Resume functionality, so you can instantly jump into at least the last 4 games you ran.
That fucking sucks. I'd rather wait for a game to quickly load and save the extra space.
 

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According to leaks, the PS5 only has around 664 GB or 646 GB available for the user. I can't remember exactly which it was.
 
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Consoles always ship with inadequate storage. At least you'll be able to add fast nvme storage, but Xbox storage cards will probably come at a premium.
 

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Consoles always ship with inadequate storage. At least you'll be able to add fast nvme storage, but Xbox storage cards will probably come at a premium.
1 TB used to be considered huge, even when downloading games became popular. Now 1 TB barely holds shit. They should come with bigger storage space. At least we can add more. Shouldn't cost any more because there are no Xbox branded SSDs, because it uses the same SSDs as a PC.
 

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1 TB used to be considered huge, even when downloading games became popular. Now 1 TB barely holds shit. They should come with bigger storage space. At least we can add more. Shouldn't cost any more because there are no Xbox branded SSDs, because it uses the same SSDs as a PC.
As far as I'm aware, the Xbox brand storage card is the only current way to add storage. https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/24/...-series-x-1tb-expandable-storage-price-219-99 The PS5 will supposedly take regular nvme drives.

There are a bunch of 2TB nvme drives on the market for 220-250 so 220ish for a 1TB is pretty bad.
 

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As far as I'm aware, the Xbox brand storage card is the only current way to add storage. https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/24/...-series-x-1tb-expandable-storage-price-219-99 The PS5 will supposedly take regular nvme drives.

There are a bunch of 2TB nvme drives on the market for 220-250 so 220ish for a 1TB is pretty bad.
That's fucking terrible. Thankfully a Windows 10 PC is better than Xbox, so I'll avoid this bullshit. For console, I'll just buy a PS5 for the exclusives.
 

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As far as I'm aware, the Xbox brand storage card is the only current way to add storage. https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/24/...-series-x-1tb-expandable-storage-price-219-99 The PS5 will supposedly take regular nvme drives.

There are a bunch of 2TB nvme drives on the market for 220-250 so 220ish for a 1TB is pretty bad.

You can use external USB3.1 HDD or SSD to play Xbox One, Xbox 360, and Original Xbox games. You only need to use the internal or external NVME for Series X|S games. You should be able to use the USB for cold storage for Series X|S games.

Forgot to post here's an article where Jeff Grubb did a tear-down on the external NVME Storage Card -- https://venturebeat.com/2020/10/15/xbox-series-x-seagate-expansion-card-teardown/

The IC is SK hynix H25BFT8G5M3R , which doesn't appear on any spec lists from what we've been able to find.
 
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I also forgot to post that it's likely the PS5 requires NVME drives to be at 7 Gbps for read since they lack the higher number of priority queues that the custom Sony NVME has (5.5 Gbps with 6 priority queues). So the only potential NVME matching those specs are close to $230 for 1TB -- the Samsung 980 PRO NVME -- https://www.samsung.com/us/computin.../980-pro-pcie-4-0-nvme-ssd-1tb-mz-v8p1t0b-am/
Do you think the new Phison controller drives (rocket, mushkin etc) would come close enough in practice?
 

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Do you think the new Phison controller drives (rocket, mushkin etc) would come close enough in practice?

I'm not sure. I think it'll take Sony to do the testing and tell us what works. At this point, everyone is guessing as to what may work. It sucks we don't know more.

Some of the other newer NVME have massive heatsinks which likely won't fit in the PS5 compartment. I think it has to be under 8 mm height to fit that compartment. Aside from that, the wording on the NVME product pages don't list if speeds are PEAK or SUSTAINED. You know, typical marketing fluff. It remains to be seen if the games will be doing constant reads or more like older games with initial loads and then just when you get to a new section. Sustained reads could impact the temps. Worst scenario would be if the drives start thermal throttling under load, like 10 minutes into starting a game.
 

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That's fucking terrible. Thankfully a Windows 10 PC is better than Xbox, so I'll avoid this bullshit. For console, I'll just buy a PS5 for the exclusives.
Sniper is correct about the PC though..In fact, consoles will never, ever be more powerful than a PC.
Because PCs have a hugely higher power potential even for cheaper prices.
And not only are consoles weaker (even the upcoming ones) compared to a similarly priced PC but they actually have to make the games on PC thus the PC has to be far more powerful than the console.